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That Lee Goldberg sure gets some stick. I do love his responses though:

Sorry, but this comment tickled my funny bone, no end, hehe.

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  • Barbara B.
    March 25
    1:00 pm

    Funny! Although maybe that woman has a point. Fiction can change your life! I don’t read fanfic but I do read hardcore gay porn. I’ve been in the closet about it for almost 20 years. I didn’t discover that I was a lesbian but I sure as hell discovered I’m a big ole freak. I like NOTHING better than to read about two men planking each other. Hard.

    Okay! After that completely unsolicited confession I’m off now to visit this Finnish gay muscle blog that I’m addicted to.

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  • Selah March
    March 26
    12:08 am

    You know, I know of a couple of authors of TV-show-tie-in type books (I think Goldberg writes Diagnosis: Murder books, yes? And maybe something else?) who think fanfiction is the evil that will finally spell an end to civilization.

    Yes, yes, I know…the copyright/artistic integrity issues. But the irony of someone who makes his living writing stories about other people’s characters bitching about amateurs on the Internet writing stories about other people’s characters…

    It makes me giggle. Easily threatened much?

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  • rozlips
    March 26
    3:01 am

    Clearly Goldberg is authorized by the Diagnosis Murder people to do those books. Obviously he has no objection to people writing script for t.v. shows when someone else created a character. After all, that’s how screenwriting is done, with spec scripts. The problem is when you take those stories and publish them without permission from the creator of the character. Spec scripts aren’t promoted or published unless they’re bought by the production company.

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  • Dawn
    March 26
    1:16 pm

    “I like NOTHING better than to read about two men planking each other. Hard.”

    ROFLMAO!! That was seriously a spew tea at the computer comment. Good one BarbaraB.

    I agree BTW!

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  • Selah March
    March 26
    1:44 pm

    Clearly Goldberg is authorized by the Diagnosis Murder people to do those books. Obviously he has no objection to people writing script for t.v. shows when someone else created a character. After all, that’s how screenwriting is done, with spec scripts. The problem is when you take those stories and publish them without permission from the creator of the character. Spec scripts aren’t promoted or published unless they’re bought by the production company.

    Yes, I get that. Copyright/trademark issues, as I said in my original comment.

    But I also know that Joss Whedon, for example, has always said he doesn’t mind fanfiction based on his various ‘verses because he knows it grows and supports the fandom, bringing in new viewers and making those who’re already watching more rabidly devoted. Others take another view, I’m sure.

    It just amuses me to watch people get their panties twisted about something that’s – to MY mind – so relatively harmless and, in its own way, flattering. You love the characters so much, you feel compelled to write stories about them? What an incredible compliment. Again, just my opinion.

    I’ll even go so far as to say that if my work were ever to spawn such devoted following that it inspired fanfiction? I’d be nothing but pleased.

    I understand that other writers/creators may feel differently. Perhaps especially those in direct competition with the fanfiction writers- i.e. those who are trying to sell books “legitimately” based on other people’s characters.

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  • katieM
    March 27
    12:38 am

    Maybe its fear that makes some authors hate fanfiction. After all, how good would you feel if someone took your character and wrote a better story than you ever could? I’d be embarassed, and I’d worry that my publisher would want the fanfic writer more than me.

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  • rozlips
    March 27
    2:50 am

    I would imagine that Lee has the same problem with fanfiction that I would if I were a television writer. Breaking into that field is fairly difficult. Infinitely harder than getting published, and we all know what a jock itch that is. Yet, after you labor, create these characters and possibly spend years getting them on tv someone else comes along and starts writing stories with them. Oftentimes stories that in no way jibe with the character’s traits as seen on the tv show.

    If someone took my book and suddenly had the members of the band humping each other homoerotically, yeah, I’d be pissed.

    IMO, its not the writing skill that is an issue as a writer. Though that certainly is a crucial element. No, to me, the most important part of being a writer is tenacity. Its fairly simple to learn the mechanics of writng and hone your craft until you have a readable book. Its a whole ‘nother story to persist through endless rejection. Most people will never do it. Most will never overcome their fear of rejection enough to complete a mss. And for those that do, having someone else come along and take those characters you labored so hard for–yeah, I think dude has legitimate beef.

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  • Shiloh Walker
    March 27
    3:47 am

    Maybe its fear that makes some authors hate fanfiction. After all, how good would you feel if someone took your character and wrote a better story than you ever could?

    I disagree, Katie. In my opinion, it’s not possible. Nobody knows a character the way the person who created them does. I’m not trying to be arrogant or anything, but we know our characters. We know how they look, how they think (usually) whether they want cereal in the morning, O-, or if they skip breakfast altogther. We know their likes, their dislikes, and everything that made them what they what they are, a million other little details that may not surface in the book, but we know them anyway.

    I don’t read fanfiction much but some of the stuff I have seen has had stuff that isn’t true to the character~more it’s what the reader WANTS to see the character do, even though the author of the book/creator of the TV series whatever knows that wouldn’t ever happen and this is why….(fill in the blank)

    I dunno what my take would be if people did start doing fan fic of my stuff, but if I wasn’t too happy, it wouldn’t be because I was worried somebody was writing it better than I could. I know a lot of people write better than I do. But they don’t know my people the way I do and I don’t want my characters shaped/written by people who don’t understand them the way I do.

    Did that make sense?

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  • Selah March
    March 28
    1:58 pm

    Its fairly simple to learn the mechanics of writng and hone your craft until you have a readable book.

    I think it’s “fairly simple” for some people. Others struggle. I think Karen would agree. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Its a whole ‘nother story to persist through endless rejection. Most people will never do it. Most will never overcome their fear of rejection enough to complete a mss.

    There we agree.

    And for those that do, having someone else come along and take those characters you labored so hard for–yeah, I think dude has legitimate beef.

    And I think there it’s a “your mileage may vary” issue. Some people might have trouble with it. Shiloh seems to think she might, and I can totally understand that.

    Others don’t take that view. I referenced Joss Whedon, but I can’t imagine he’s the only one. I suppose I could find more if I tried.

    I don’t see myself having a problem with it. Not because I don’t love my characters or feel strongly about them, but because I have this philosophy, developed from too many months of studying deconstructionist theory in grad school: My work is mine alone until I release it for public consumption. At that point, it becomes something I share with my readers. A dialogue. A discussion. Sometimes, a debate.

    I can try to protect myself from theft through the copyright laws, but I can’t see myself policing fanfiction, if I should ever BE so lucky as to build a readership that large or rabid. Because I see the creation of fanfiction as part of the discussion/dialogue/debate. And I’m okay with that. I’m not so possessive of my work that I need to stem that particular tide. If I were, I wouldn’t publish it – I’d keep it entirely for myself, like J.D. Salinger and his safety deposit box full of manuscripts that may never see the light of day.

    It’s just a different perspective. I doubt there’s a definitive “right” and “wrong” on this issue.

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  • rozlips
    March 29
    1:48 pm

    I think there’s a difference between sharing your book with readers and sharing it with writers. I doubt I will ever have this problem either. I don’t see my fan base growing to that extent, but if it did I know I’d be very angry. If if was a small group somewhere in a basement I’d probably not care, but when it comes to the internet, that shit’s forever. I still find posts of mine I made 10+ years ago! I have no idea what the hell I was talking about in those posts, but they’re still there and will presumably still be there FOREVER.

    I have little doubt that what’s on the internet will remain in folks (and google’s) consciousness forever. Someday they may well not even have the original book to compare it to. When someone 20 years from now googles that character’s name the fanfiction may well be the first or only thing that comes up. I think that’s beyond sad, and grossly unfair to the originator of the characters.

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  • Selah
    March 30
    3:10 pm

    I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Mostly because I don’t know any writers who didn’t start out as readers. And in my experience, fanfic writers are the most avid readers of all. Plus, the idea of my characters living on in perpetuity through the wonders of fanfic on the Internet just doesn’t push my Injustice Buttons, I guess. Again, I’m just speaking for myself.

    But I do understand and respect your stance on this. ๐Ÿ™‚

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