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The Ersatz Jane Litte (Jane at Dear Author)
from COMPUTER COLONICS by FerfeLaBat

“One thing writers know when they see it is fiction.

While to my knowledge Jane Litte has never outright said she is a board certified lawyer, she has done little to dissuade the rumors and has, in fact, been dispensing legalese like candy on websites far and wide. The real lawyers preface everything they say with qualifying credentials and few of them would give it away to complete strangers and take on a huge risk of liability.

They bill out $200 plus an hour at the office. When your living is made dispensing knowledge, you don’t give it out to complete strangers free of charge unless it’s pro bono and you can write it off.

She has said repeatedly that she is “just a reader” … in much the same way Dick Cheney is “just a hunter” I guess. Right up to the Triskellion meltdown she happily hosted some of the most horrific Mosh Pitt parties on her own blog.

Since then she has kept her little corner of the web fairly clean of controversy and has chosen to use other bloggers to get her power kicks. When Jane Litte (aka ?) sets out to ignore someone and tells everyone else to ignore them, she really ignores the hell out of them huh?

For someone who just spent a week making sure everyone knows exactly who I am, she is quite the mystery woman herself. Other than that one picture and confirmed sightings at RWA does anyone know who Jane Litte really is?

As she’s flitting around on everyone else’s blogs accusing me of everything but screwing Hitler (possibly even of screwing Hitler) consider the source … or lack there of.

If I don’t know who or what I am dealing with I keep far far away from it. There’s just no point in fighting fantasies on the web. When I want to do that I’ll put it in a book and make real money off of it.”

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“I wracked my brains trying to figure out how to mimic Jane’s Way of using someone else’s blog to … well … you’ve seen her work first hand I’m sure. Yesterday I had an epiphany.

If Karen Scott is any kind of friend to Jane she won’t scrape this onto her own blog to display it forever and she’ll let it die after a few hours here on Computer Colonics. But because Karen is friend to no one, I believe she’ll stay true to form and copy it over. Thus I will have used someone else’s blog to … You know.

With friends like Karen, who needs enemies eh? Sick. Two down. One to go.

Comments closed on this one because I do not have time to moderate.”

Cindy Cruciger, Author – AKA FerfeLabat – Ferfelabat.com

“From 7:30 am Eastern until 9:30 AM Eastern I posted a fierce commentary. It was blistering. Like a fish I almost caught last weekend – fucking HUGE I tell ya!! But. Two hours is my outside limit for someone like Jane. I taunted Karen to scrape it onto her blog. I blew her big-assed raspberries! Double dog-dared her. She missed out.

While I am aware of the fact that Karen is limited by AOL Dial up issues, life’s a bitch. She didn’t need to burn that last bridge anyway.” (hehe)

“I am learning a new respect for the four horsemen.

Deliberately targeting someone …

You have to be completely empty inside to do what they do to people. It feels gross.”

Cindy Cruciger, Author – AKA FerfeLabat – Ferfelabat.com

3 comments
1. threedeelicious Jul 31
I’m sure one of your unique visitors already copied it into an email anyway. I must confess to being bummed, however, at its being taken down. Particularly as the alternative is work.

2. FerfeLaBat Jul 31
I do believe that The Ersatz Jane Litte was some of my best work. And. Twenty-nine unique visitors got a shot at saving it off before I remembered I was a human being. So much for my mean reputation eh? Some University Press thing scraped it so — all is not lost.

Besides. If they didn’t see it they are now climbing out of their skin wanting to know what it said. That’s even better than a direct asault. Less is more, right?

Now get to work.

3. Selah March Jul 31
Damn. Missed it. This is what I get for spending my time writing.

*is sad*

And suddenly it all made sense to me. I used to think The Little Shop of Horrors was just a cute musical with no deeper message, but it’s more. Authors contribute blood to this beast and it has grown to a size where it is big enough to eat us whole.

I accomplished two monumental things at least:

· Panda Candy is now moderating her blog and hopefully what happened to Liz, Marianne and Sherrilyn will never happen again.

· Karen Scott (a self avowed atheist) found God again for five amazing days.

And with this post, I am done. (hehe)

Cindy Cruciger, Author – AKA FerfeLabat – Ferfelabat.com

55 Comments »


  • Gwen
    August 1
    8:05 am

    Up ’til now I’ve been watching this blog tennis match much the way someone watches a trainwreck – it’s spectacular, has a certain gruesome beauty, and there isn’t a blessed thing you can do to stop it.

    But now I have tired of reading the negative, mean-spirited, egomaniacal bullshit coming from a blog named, of all things, Colonics.

    Life is too short to give toxic drivel the time of day. And I think it’s a mistake for you to perpetuate and repeat the crap. All it seems to do is feed some apparently huge egos, and why on earth would you want to do that.

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  • Karen Scott
    August 1
    9:15 am

    The problem is Gwen, I basically did ignore her for 3/4 months, but that obviously didn’t work, and like I said, the high road isn’t easy to navigate when somebody keeps trying to fling themselves in front of your ride.

    I can keep this crap up as long as she can, and I don’t even have to visit her blog to do it. She wants the attention, I’m merely obliging.

    In the future, I’m pretty sure she’ll wish that she hadn’t bothered starting her Mean Bloggers Crusade, (incidentally, what happened to The Crusade when she was busy sniffing my arse and panting like a bitch in heat over me?) because in the end, she hurts herself more than she hurts any of us.

    She has become a caricature of all the things that she hates in the likes of me, Jane, and the SB’s, and she doesn’t seem to have the intelligence to realise it.

    ‘Mean girl disconnect’ is alive and well at the University of Miami, not just over here in my part of the world, but unfortunately, Cindy Cruciger is too obsessed with me, Jane and SB’s to see it.

    Incidentally, my post on Friday, was to be my last post on this subject, as long as she just got on with her own life, and kept her rants to her private group, but alas, it was not meant to be.

    When she stops, then I will stop. It’s very simple really.

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  • Maralyn
    August 1
    9:46 am

    Ooh I can comment on one of these posts at last, dang I have much to say!

    Gwen said: All it seems to do is feed some apparently huge egos, and why on earth would you want to do that.

    I agree with you, but surely it’s on Ms Cruciger to just let it go? We get it, she hates Karen, LET IT GO LADY!! Neither party are going to have a change of heart about the other, LET IT GO! As near as I can tell, Cindy Cruciger started this war, for no better reason than apparently she wants to teach the mean girls a lesson, dammit LET IT GO! Surely she must have more interesting things going on in her life, than going Single-White Female all over the damn internet!

    Rant over.

    Karen, can we expect a review of High Noon soon, I’m wondering whether to go and buy it, the reviews have been great so far, and Rosie’s review of it was excellent. My book-buying budget has reduced drastically, so I’m real careful about where I spend my greens.

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  • sallahdog
    August 1
    1:47 pm

    I posted on her blog last week, asking why she wanted to start a shit throwing contest, since you have nothing to lose and she does (lets face it, your a reader, she should be concerned about her professional image)….

    I don’t think she gets it. I read last night Shiloh Walker basically telling her the same thing..

    Personally as a reader with no axe to grind one way or another, it comes off as she has a hard on for you and Jane of Dear Author. Kind of like a person who desperately wants to be liked by the “in crowd” and is rejected.

    Karen, your a shit stirrer, but you basically admit and revel in being one, so why is a “professional” author being stupid enough to get in a crap throwing contest with you, who has nothing to lose? Ehh… I don’t know, but I lost some respect for her…

    So in your reading fest, have you found any books youve liked as much as Beverly Koomsons ” My Best friends Girl”? I finished Cullars ” The Object of Love”… liked it alot, not as much as Always, but a really good read. Thats what I come here for, to find books that I wouldn’t normally know about…

    Oh, and the shit stirring.. definately.. Working in a mostly male field, I find mens dramas just aren’t that interesting..

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  • Michelle
    August 1
    1:57 pm

    What I want to know is don’t these people have editors, or people in the publishing houses telling them to STOP commiting professional suicide? I mean not only is Cindy Cruciger and Seleh March coming off as unbalanced but also nasty, hysterical and unprofessional. This can’t be helping their sales. Their attacks are so juvenile, tacky and over the top, it is only hurting themselves. I just can’t understand it except to say they seriously need professional help and medication.

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  • Gennita
    August 1
    1:58 pm

    What has been interesting to me as an observer is the drive-by posting at her OWN blog. She shoots, usually with quite a long bit of essay work, leaves the evidence up for a planned amount of time, long enough for comments, THEN delete the post, as if it hasn’t happened.

    I’m not sure why she does that because she knows someone is copying the pages and she doesn’t seem to care anyway about people knowing her feud with Karen and the other reviewers. I can only speculate, as a suspense writer who spends a lot of time thinking about spying ;-), that she might be looking at ISPs and figuring out who Karen’s spies are. She does seem to think it an amusing joke too, to bring up this topic over and over because it’s like that stalker story she told on her blog about her college experience at University of South Fl., in which she was phone-stalked by the 1984 serial murderer there.

    Incidentally, she has also deleted this post. So googling “November of 1984 I was a computer engineering student at University of South Florida in Tampa and living in a condo” under “Vignettes” will bring up nothing. I can’t help but compare that, similar to that stalker, she simply dials up and warns, “I don’t like you flirting like that, Karen,” and expect you to listen.

    I didn’t want to write this post but I also know she has friends who read both your and her blogs and I want to bring up the point that all this HAS hurt some mutual friends–hers, yours and mine–for no other reason than overdone colonic irrigation (which should be kept in the bathroom and very unsafe, if done too much).

    I’m good friends with Bonnie Vanak and as a fallout of this, she has to delete an entire month of her blog, which to the best of my knowledge, was filled with EXCELLENT articles on the RWA convention and notes on special workshops, because of anonymous spamming and certain comments left there. As far as I know, she has not posted online since, which is a shame, because Bonnie has a lot of interesting things to tell. She does a lot of good work in Third World countries and her articles on her blog show her hard work and giving nature.

    A few comments at her friend’s blog has cost her. She no longer feels free to blog because a couple of posts supporting a swan hat and a couple of stockings at her own blog have generated criticism and name-calling beyond the initial topic started at Smart Bitches.

    And that’s why I think it important to come out of lurkdom to say this piece. Because drive-by shootings always have unintended victims.

    Oh. Just in case…I’m not taking sides here, since I don’t even know the cause of disagreement between both parties. All I know is that it’d grown to the point where it’d stopped a good friend from blogging.

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  • Casee
    August 1
    2:28 pm

    I think she’s obsessed with you. I’ve seen her comments to you on various blogs and there’s really no other explaination, is there?

    Or maybe she secretly wants to be you? I’m not sure, but it’s kind of creepy.

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  • Anonymous
    August 1
    2:39 pm

    For a very long time, CC had an ongoing writing column in RT and got a lot of attention from readers and aspiring writers for her inside track. I’m thinking that the rise of reader bloggers has taken the spotlight off her expertise and put it onto those with a different take.

    From what I gather, her single published book did not float, and she obviously is making sure no other publisher is going to want to work with her again. Did she not read Chey McCray’s interview with several editors and agents about how they check out authors sites and blogs? Often before deciding whether to work with them?

    I would think Selah and Eva would also want to be careful if they value their careers. If the group wants to put themselves out publicly this way, they should consider not so much that they’re standing by their convictions, but what they’re doing to their professional reputations.

    Cindy Rio

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  • sybil
    August 1
    2:49 pm

    I am sure writers do have publishers, agents and the like to help keep them from making asses of themselves but cindy isn’t a writer.

    She said so herself when she couldn’t get another book published. She did it just to see if she could you know. nudge nudge, wink wink…

    I think it should stop as I thought it should never start. Ferwhatever isn’t trying to take ‘down the mean bloggers’ she isn’t ‘giving voice to the poor writers who can’t speak for themselves’ she is getting attention in the only manner she can.

    Sort of saying… gosh people stop coming to see me… those bitches linking to me are going to bring me down with all the hits!!!@@@!! when all the links were linked to her cache not her.

    There are many names for a person like cindy but at the end of it really it is just sad. She has a private, closed, members only if you can be a bad bad grrl like us message board. Posting in public to only take it down in a week or a day or whateverthefuck to protect the children she runs with is nothing but bullshit. Otherwise why not post in The Cage, a place people can’t go see it in the first place to protect the not so ready for new york times bestseller list authors who wanna play in the mud with her?

    Of course color me cynical… I could be wrong… it happens sometimes.

    No matter what I can see why karen is doing it because it is beyond watching a person wag their finger at you, slap your wrist and say no no… while they do the same thing. And lets face it, up until a week ago most people had no clue that blog was there or who she was.

    So she got her bad behavior rewarded, ten to one she will just keep on keeping on.

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  • Nora Roberts
    August 1
    3:01 pm

    Is she suggesting Jane’s a liar re her profession?

    Did she actually say PANDA Candy??

    And, jeez, she even brought up Hitler.

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  • sybil
    August 1
    3:11 pm

    maybe she was trying to envoke Godwin’s Law

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  • Tina
    August 1
    3:20 pm

    Nobody seems to be appropriately addressing the fact that this lady is obviously unhinged. She needs help, and quickly.

    I guess I’m with the people who can’t understand why she’d hang herself out to dry in this way. Somebody stop her, please, she’s just at the brink of madness, but seems to be gleefully edging towards it without a care in the world.

    Where the hell is her publisher or editor?

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  • Karen Scott
    August 1
    3:32 pm

    Somebody just told me that the PANDA reference to Candy could be construed as a lazy racial slur, due to Pandas being native to the far east. Similar to Monkey Karen, if you would. If that’s true… well, that would be a whole new low from our very own Angel Gabriel now wouldn’t it?

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  • Barbara B.
    August 1
    3:34 pm

    I don’t think Cindy has anything to lose as far as the writing goes. She couldn’t BE more obscure in that regard.

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  • shiloh walker
    August 1
    3:38 pm

    for no other reason than overdone colonic irrigation (which should be kept in the bathroom and very unsafe, if done too much).

    Oh geez, such imagery. Eeewwww. Talk about flashback to the nursing home days. :P thanks so much..

    I don’t think she gets it. I read last night Shiloh Walker basically telling her the same thing..

    I’ve decided that she either doesn’t care~or that she just can’t see it. I’m not really sure which one yet.

    now i’m going to go get some work done. I’d hate to have people thinking that my daily blog hopping is feeding the beast. :OD

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  • emdee
    August 1
    4:07 pm

    I have a copy of Revenge Gifts. I bought it used. I’ve never read it. I’m throwing it away. The author has shown me who she is by how she treats people and I want no part of her or anything that came from her brain.

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  • Kimberly Ann
    August 1
    4:21 pm

    I have a copy of Revenge Gifts.

    This is absolute proof that somebody out there bought her book. If she ever writes another one, she’ll be lucky to even have one sale at this rate. *shakes head in disgust*.

    She should have a PUBLISHERS BEWARE sign tattooed on her head. Yikes!

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  • Dionne Galace
    August 1
    4:33 pm

    … if she referred to Candy as “Panda Candy” because Pandas are native to China…

    YEAH. that’s racist. Yeah, that’s right. I’m pulling the race card!

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  • Casee
    August 1
    4:38 pm

    Totally read the comment I commented on wrong up there.

    I would like to think that she wouldn’t stoop so low as to make racist comments, but that’s just wishful thinking.

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  • FerfeLaBat
    August 1
    5:10 pm

    “Also, a note to many of youse who’ve already commented: some of the comments about Cruciger & co. are REALLY treading the line. A couple even go over. My laptop battery’s almost entirely gone, so I won’t be doing any editing until later tonight, and I really, really hate editing comments, because it feels like censorship, but for serious: don’t go over the line. It makes me an unhappy panda, and you don’t want to be in close proximity to this unhappy panda.

    Posted by Candy on 07/24 at 06:42 PM”

    You just called SB Candy a racist. Carry on.

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  • April
    August 1
    5:17 pm

    I’m reminded of the way The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart “c-spans” the administration here in the states.

    The administration will say one thing one day, another thing another day, as though to erase everything else they’d ever purported, in effect changing history in a creepy Orwellian way. “No, we never said that.”

    Then here comes Jon Stewart to hoist them on their own petard, playing back their own words, clip after sound clip, displaying their inconsistencies and blatant lies without even having to comment.

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  • Dionne Galace
    August 1
    5:18 pm

    She’s making a SOUTH PARK reference!

    … I think.

    sexual harrassment panda” is a sad panda.

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  • Dionne Galace
    August 1
    5:20 pm

    Hey, Candy, I called you a RACIST!

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  • April
    August 1
    5:21 pm

    Well … that was an unfortunate placing of my comment. I was referring to Karen’s posts, not to the comment before mine.

    The comment before mine uses the same faulty logic as, “Well, he called himself the N word, so why shouldn’t I call him that, too?” So c-spanning in that case doesn’t work.

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  • Robin
    August 1
    5:27 pm

    The post in which Shiloh Walker speaks wisely, respectfully, and sensibly has been removed.

    The post that shot right over the line for me was the “scary blogger” photo post a couple of weeks ago. And it occurred to me the other day that it went up in the midst of the featured bloggers posting in the most glowing and positive terms about their experiences at RWA. Without snark or irony — real, honest to god admiration for National and for their experiences there. For the authors they met and the fun they had and the sense of community they witnessed and experienced. I thought that was sort of interesting.

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  • Nora Roberts
    August 1
    5:32 pm

    Robin, what are we going to do, agreeing like this right and left?

    I had the same thoughts, the same take as you.

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  • Robin
    August 1
    5:37 pm

    Robin, what are we going to do, agreeing like this right and left?

    The last time it happened we had a 4.1 earthquake (okay, the quake occurred a few hours before the agreement, but still). Nothing so far today, though. Perhaps that first was the climatic balance shifting to accommodate the event.

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  • Nora Roberts
    August 1
    5:39 pm

    ~okay, the quake occurred a few hours before the agreement, but still).~

    A portent!

    I also agree with April’s comments–both of them–above. But do not fear this could foreshadow a climactic disaster.

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  • Anonymous
    August 1
    6:07 pm

    Candy, being Asian, can refer to herself as a panda if she wants to. I, myself, can refer to myself as a Twinkie if I want to because I AM REFERING TO MYSELF. However, if *you* do it, then, yeah, you are commenting in a very racist way and I am offended. Just because you hear someone say something in reference to him/herself doesn’t mean you have the right to repeat it.

    This is all assuming Candy did not mean it as a South Park reference. And if she did, boy, should Cindy Cruciger be squirming right now.

    I’m beginning to become disturbed by the amount of latent racism towards Asians going around in romance land lately. Maybe I just hadn’t been paying attention before, but there seems to be this underlying, generally accepted practice of subtly (sometimes not, hello, Wicked Women blog) slamming Asians and no one (or very few) makes a fuss and are often complicit. Do people not notice? Do people not care?

    I’m feeling marginalized by a genre I love and comments like Cindy Cruciger’s don’t help.

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  • FerfeLaBat
    August 1
    6:07 pm

    ? Mean
    ? Stupid
    ? Crazy
    ? Career is over
    ? Never HAD a career
    ? Racist (my personal favorite and we had bets going. I lost)
    ? Envious
    ? Jealous Bitch
    ? Will never buy her book … again. Bought it used anyway and burned it. (Nice touch.)
    ? Friends should shun her

    Still to go …

    ? Solve the world’s problems
    ? World peace.
    ? Behavior is a blight on all of romance land
    ? Global warming. (Toxic fumes from blog is the main cause of green house gasses)

    Have I forgotten any items for check list? Get on it people. And indirectly causing Earthquakes is not on the list. If they occur as a side effect of this it’s because the Earth just buckled under the weight of so many people piling on. One at a time. Pace yourselves.

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  • FerfeLaBat
    August 1
    6:11 pm

    Oh Sweet Chicken. I just noticed. Karen broke out one of her multiple personality anonymous people. You’ve got enough real people posting Karen. You just need to keep them on topic.

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  • shiloh walker
    August 1
    6:14 pm

    Am I the only one sitting here and just shaking my head over all of this?

    Oye.

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  • azteclady
    August 1
    6:15 pm

    Most definitely not the only one, Shiloh, not by a looooooooooooooong shot.

    eeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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  • FerfeLaBat
    August 1
    6:20 pm

    What exactly would you like me to say Shiloh? If I were to crawl the web for your “Best Of” just as comparison what would you say? This slam fest is what you seem to enjoy. It’s entertaining. You said so.

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  • Serena
    August 1
    6:20 pm

    Uh, hi. I’m not Karen. I’m Asian and generally post anonymously because I can’t be bothered. Here’s my name if it makes you feel better. I stand by what I said in the comment at 7:07.

    I thought the topic was “let’s see what kind of shit storm can be brewed up!” and up until I felt offended, it was reading material between meetings. So good job! Controversial discussion accomplished! You must be so proud!

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  • Nora
    August 1
    6:24 pm

    Shiloh, in the time I’ve been reading blogs, I’ve invariably found your comments smart, reasonable, amusing and fair.

    Just felt it was the right time to mention it.

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  • shiloh walker
    August 1
    6:32 pm

    Actually, Ferfe, my comment was that the dramas are amusing… for a while.

    This has gone into the befuddling realm and that’s what I’m shaking my head at.

    Well, that and the fact that you don’t even realize that you’re insulting people the same way you accuse Karen of doing regularly.

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  • shiloh walker
    August 1
    6:37 pm

    oh, man… I’m gonna die happy.

    NR just spoke to me. Two authors make me go fan girl and I’ve now had contact with both. If I was the swooning type, I would now be in a major major swoon.

    *G*

    That said, thank you. :-)

    Now I better get to work. All of this drama is killing my productivity today.

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  • Candy
    August 1
    6:38 pm

    Ha! My panda crack was a butchered South Park reference, actually–I should’ve said “sad panda,” not “unhappy panda.”

    I had no idea what Cruciger was on about when she referred to me as Panda Candy. The racist thing sprung to mind first, I admit. It’s not like she said “Candy the Unhappy Panda”, in which case I would’ve, y’know, gotten the joke.

    Watching the bugfuckery escalate is fascinating.

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  • FerfeLaBat
    August 1
    6:45 pm

    Hmmm. You mean in the original post that I took down or in the comments here. Because it never even entered my mind that as a non-asian the use of the word Panda was racist. South Park is a bad influence. If Candy can say it because she’s Asian and I can’t then I’ve learned something new. Ignorance is no excuse. I am very sorry for calling Candy “Panda Candy” I just thought it was her blog moderating persona and used it as such with no racial intent I swear.

    If I insulted anyone who has posted here by goofing on their criticism of me, I am also sorry. Making light of people trying to criticize my behavior is irreverent and bad and I will try to be properly put in my place.

    Please don’t stop on my account. This is Karen’s show and her favorite thing to do and I don’t want to deprive her of fun.

    How’s that?

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  • sybil
    August 1
    6:47 pm

    psstt shi… she is just being ironic… giving those mean ol bloggers a taste of their own medicine.

    She does it for YOU! Because you know… as a successful author you can not voice your true opinion. So for every bad review, ever bit big ol nasty thrown at you that you were too much of a pussy to deal with or you know too smart to make an asshole of yourself in public. Or really really were smart enough to see a review for what it is a fucking review of a book and not you. Cuz OMFG if it was about you and not the book it would only make YOU The author look like a dirrty dirrty whore and not the blogger doing it.

    SHE IS DOING IT ALL FOR YOU! For your kind! And you don’t even know how to say thank you! God, how do you sleep at night?

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  • Anne
    August 1
    6:52 pm

    All I can do is laugh and groan at the same time. Some people just don’t know when to STOP. Get a clue Ferfe, for the love of God, get a clue! You are not amusing. You’re an idiot… and a racist one at that!

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  • A. LURKER
    August 1
    7:17 pm

    Farfelabat, you should just stop. Really. You are not going to win this. You are making yourself look even more foolish, and mentally bankrupt. Your moral crusade to bring down bloggers cannot be worth this amount of aggravation. I truly pity you, and your friends, because you all have perpetuated this, so you can have nobody else to blame for what will probably become a feeding frenzy. Step away from the computer and relax. For your own good.

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  • Alessia Brio
    August 1
    7:20 pm

    Well, now my problems seem so trivial.

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  • Dee
    August 1
    8:30 pm

    Mine don’t, lol, but it’s nice to know I’ll have to dig a hell of a hole for anyone to think I’m an idiot after all this.

    Thanks Karen!
    LOL!
    Dee

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  • Shiloh Walker
    August 1
    8:56 pm

    So for every bad review, ever bit big ol nasty thrown at you that you were too much of a pussy to deal with

    geez, sybil. I’m so frickin glad I didn’t have anything in my mouth when i read that.

    I would have spit out all over my monitor, and maybe even choked from laughing so hard.

    Yeah. That’s me, all right. I’m a coward. :OP

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  • Devon
    August 1
    9:27 pm

    I guess “toxic behavior” is in the eye of the beholder.

    I’ve gotta say, I’ve read so many kerfuffles over “Authors Behaving Badly” over the last almost two years, and no one’s ever really bothered me except Ms. LaBat, Selah March, Eva Gale and several others who comment on that blog and around. I think it’s the fact that they try to bait people by twisting their words and attacking them in the name of some kind of agenda for good. It’s transparent and hypocritical.

    And I read Bonnie Vanak’s comments on those posts. She was not attacking anyone, spoke positively about her experiences (from what I can remember), and was merely giving her opinion, like most people were on the colossal thread at SBTB. It stinks if people gave her a hard time merely for associating with that bunch.

    Mrs. Giggles gave Liz Maverick’s new one quite a good review. That and her other good reviews (like the one by Jane) are far more significant, than people ranting on “her behalf”. Mancusi and Maverick’s feelings were hurt, no doubt, but they handled it gracefully, and their work will speak for them.

    This stopped being about an author’s right to wear an outfit a long time ago.

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  • Grrrl
    August 1
    10:02 pm

    does anyone else find it amusingly ironic that the book listed on her blog as her current read is titled ‘dramarama’? just sayin’.

    looking at the booklist review on amazon though, i just might have to flip through it next time i trek to b and n. sounds like it has the makings of a robert rodi, jr. edition. and i loves me some robert rodi.

    well then, carry on.

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  • Shelly @ Bewitched
    August 2
    5:03 am

    This whole storm makes me feel like I just got off the Tilt-a-Whirl at the fair. Kinda sick and kinda dazzled.

    Not trying to hijak your post Karen, but I just wanted to say to Shiloh Walker that your comments over at Ferfe’s were really spot on and it was exactly what I was trying to say in a post over at my blog (only you were way more eloquent, must be the writer in you ;o) )

    These kinds of things can really have an impact on readers/buyers/borrowers of books. The internet is very much the double edged sword for authors.

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  • Kat O+
    August 2
    6:58 am

    This is probably OT from the comment but related to the original post. Can you really be held liable for dispensing legal opinion online? As in, do lawyers have to preface every legal opinion with “this is not professional advice”? What kind of person takes legal advice from blogs? Is this just an American thing? Just curious.

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  • Jane
    August 2
    2:28 pm

    There are professional responsibility rules that a lawyer must follow. The danger in presenting legal opinions in any forum is that you may create an attorney client relationship. Once that relationship is created, there is a whole raft of PR rules that come into play such as confidentiality, conflicts of interest, duty of the attorney and so forth.

    When giving a general legal opinion about a topic, the lawyer probably isn’t creating an A/C relationship. If a poster would create a specific set of facts and say “I need your help, what do you think?”, the attorney is entering into a danger zone and must be very careful in responding else the creation of the relationship.

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  • HelenKay Dimon
    August 2
    8:13 pm

    Seems to me when the comments turn to things like, “Jane goes around giving secret legal advice” we have officially run out of intelligent arguments, or even interesting namecalling, and have strayed into complete silliness. For whatever it’s worth, as a lawyer I can say I’ve never seen Jane give inappropriate legal advice on blogs or engage in behavior that violates the Rule of Professional Responsibility. And, really, is that even relevant to anything? Haven’t we run a bit off track and well into personal slam territory?

    It’s time, as A. Lurker commented (and I wish you would not have post anonymously), to back away from the computer keyboard. Unless the goal is to prove that women can’t disagree in a respectful manner, we should all move on. Kudos to Karen for trying and for extending the olive branch. I’m hoping someone grabs on to it. This sort of thing wastes too much energy. And, in the universe of “pick your battles” the anti-blogger position just doesn’t make sense.

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  • Ann Wesley Hardin
    August 2
    11:01 pm

    I’m only posting so this can go up right after HelenKay’s post. So if someone grabs my spot will you move it for me, Karen? That’s a good girl ;)

    Me and HelenKay started the blog wars and it would be so cool to see us end them. We had the very first, unintentional, blown-out-of-all-Holy-hell-freakin’-proportion online spat a couple of years ago and today you couldn’t cut the lurv we have for each other with a cleaver. Ain’t that right, HelenKay? (she better say yes…enthusiastically too…)

    I’m proud of the way we communicated with each other to reach an understanding.

    It’s possible, people! Please, for all that’s Holy and good, let’s move on.

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  • Kat O+
    August 3
    1:09 am

    Thanks, Jane. It makes more sense to me now.

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  • HelenKay
    August 3
    4:14 am

    Ann – You’re right! We disagreed but realized we could do so in a mature way and pulled back from the edge before we ended up not liking ourselves in the morning. I’ve always respected you for being willing to listen to my side. Nothing but luv for you, babe. And, like you, I’m hoping this situation has run its course. I miss Karen’s usual blog and hate the never-ending bashing.

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