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Here are ten million people you can ask. According to Patsy anyway.

“I really wish I knew where you were getting your information from Karen. I have never been fired for any editing position I had nor have I been rejected for my work, Let’s see…How about you query Tamara McHatton, Rochelle Webber, Dawn Seewer, Karen Simpson…I can go on hunny…you can contact Tina Haversham at Extasy, Kathryn Struck, Dick Claussen, Rene Walden…Need I saw more?

No matter what you do you cannot touch my credibility…My agent is Belinda WIlliams at Literary Lifestyles and my Director is Michael Maxx Kelly…Go ahead open your big mouth some more, and contact all these people…Caridad Scordato, Irene Petersen…they know who I am…Oh let’s not for get Deb Mullins, Cris Janssen, Jan Jansen, Eloisa James…shall I go on or is this enough for you? Now I strongly advise you to shut your mouth before you wind up with a leagl suit on your hands for slander.”

Well, it was all going so swimmingly, until she threatened to sue me. Big sigh.

You can follow the entire conversation via the comments link.

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  • azteclady
    September 4
    10:55 pm

    Anonymous @ 8:57 and 10:50, perhaps your *cough* superiority *cough* to everyone else around you would be more evident if you could sign your comments with something other than “anonymous.”

    That way no one would have to check IP numbers, etc. for sockpuppets.

    Try it. I’m sure you’ll master it in no time. I mean, even lowly me has figured it out, how hard can it be?

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  • Karen Scott
    September 4
    10:58 pm

    I’m more than happy to remind you that while your head may be crammed up it, the world does not revolve around your ass.

    Well evidently it does because you sure felt moved enough to post twice within a short period of time in my little domain.

    Take a minute, mix yourself a drink, give the shock a little time to wear off.

    Oh I just did, unfortunately for me, it wasn’t strong enough, can I borrow some of your Thorazine instead?

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  • Anonymous
    September 4
    11:23 pm

    Ok, I have to say this is getting pretty ridiculous.

    Don’t we all have better things to do than this? Like writing? Reviewing? Playing with ourselves?

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  • Ann Bruce
    September 4
    11:26 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out if Patti aka AP Miller is also Desiree Erotique.

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  • Karen Scott
    September 4
    11:41 pm

    No Ann, she’s definitely not Des, this I know. Plus Des is usually more lucid. *g*

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  • shiloh walker
    September 5
    12:14 am

    Uh, anonmyous posting @ 9:30 PM, I hate to tell you this… that post of yours didn’t do anything other than make some people snicker.

    Believe it or not, this is coming from an objective party. I don’t know Patti, haven’t checked out whatever picture you’re going on about. I don’t know her and have no axe to grind. Although considering she came after Karen first with the law suit stuff, maybe you should direct some of your advice to her. In the face of negativity, she handled things in just about the worst way possible. She showed no professionalism. For a professional… that’s a major mistake.

    Your righteous tone would have been much more believable if you hadn’t taken to slinging some mud at Karen and others. When you see others doing something you don’t approve of, the way to get your point is across isn’t to turn around and do the same thing. Sort of that pot calling the kettle black and all.

    I also seriously don’t see Karen as having any attempts into the writing world. Not everybody that reads wants to write. Not everybody that reviews wants to write. Sometimes that’s just not their thing, no ulterior motives.

    I also wouldn’t mess with picking a fight with Karen over opinions.

    She doesn’t moderate comments.
    She doesn’t delete comments,
    She does tend to post things that lead to a lot of uh… heated commentary, we’ll say.

    Somebody who thought theirs was the only opinion in the world that counted wouldn’t do any of that. They’d be moderating everybody, or deleting every opinion that didn’t reflect their own.

    So that’s my two cents. Feel free to sling mud my way. I can promise I’m not going to cry a river, lamenting requires too much energy and sackcloth has GOT to be uncomfortable. I might go mix me a drink though… it’s been a long day.

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  • Marianne LaCroix
    September 5
    12:26 am

    Just repeating too. Des is NOT AP Miller. I know it for a fact.

    Mari

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  • Deanna Lee
    September 5
    1:44 am

    I second that, Mari, Desiree Erotique and AP Miller are two different people.

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  • Desiree Erotique
    September 5
    3:05 am

    Mari, Karen, Deanna – thank you very much. Now I can tell my hubby I can still hang at Karen’s and not feel like a criminal 🙂

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  • Veronica
    September 5
    11:50 am

    Um, Shiloh-I was the anon that posted at 9:30pm and I NEVER once in that post said anything against Karen. So I think you have the wrong ANON post.

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  • shiloh walker
    September 6
    12:43 am

    Crud, Veronica, you’re right… it was the 8:57 anon. I’m sorry!

    Ahem… as I was saying… to the 8:57 anon…. whose post ended with bedpans, glee and apparent witticisms….

    (sorry, veronica!)

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  • Anonymous
    September 6
    3:07 am

    I posted this in the wrong thread…my bad.
    Here’s the original:

    Anonymous said…

    Karen, I’ve been waiting for the day someone told Patti aka AP Miller to shut her pie hole already. This woman is post-menopausal, ape shit crazy. I kid you not. I wish I’d never met this woman, but unfortunately, I have. Talk about a bloated ego… Good God! I mean if she’s supposedly been in the “industry” as long as she proclaims, why then would she settle on a measly old e-pub like MGP (and not just once, but five times)? Hell, why not just ring up one of her cronies at the NY houses, being that she’s got so many of them? I also find it curious she doesn’t even have a real web site (and no, Patti, authorsden doesn’t count as an official site). I’m surprised someone of her superior intelligence hadn’t figured that out yet (tsk…tsk…and with a Masters degree, Patti dearie, how could you?)

    It’s amusing how Patti assumes everyone is simply jealous of her and her success. I wonder what success she’s referring to. I’d certainly never heard of her before I met her (and I’m a book reviewer as well as voracious romance reader for well over a decade now). And just what are her alleged accolades and awards? Guess we just have to take her word on it. Ya gotta hand it to the woman, though, in her befuddled, alternate universe, she’s the second-coming. And her sycophantic zeal of NY pubs is akin to the Holy Grail—something she’ll pursue but never attain. Seems to me Patti could benefit from adding a psychiatrist to her extensive entourage.

    An Insider Who Wished She Hadn’t Met Patti

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  • StefKelsey
    September 12
    12:42 am

    I used to be EIC at eXtasy, and published both Des and AP. They are very much not the same person.

    Oh, and it’s Tina Haveman, not Haversham.

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  • Anonymous
    September 12
    4:49 am

    Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach. Those that can’t teach, critique. Those that can’t critique, read blogs like this one and laugh our asses off.

    –Jackie L.

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  • Karen Scott
    September 12
    6:06 am

    Stef, does that mean that she is published with yet another e-publisher?

    And yet she claims she spoke out against them at RWA?

    What a numpty.

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  • Kitty D
    September 13
    4:32 pm

    I quit following this blog for some time because some of the pathetic old bitty bickering gets quite old here. And I stress old bitty to specific people. Grow up. Yes I know it’s your blog and you can say what you want but get a clue already. You’re only fueling the fire that can spread in ways you didn’t think it would. Imagine my surprise when I come across the nice little catty histrionics going on here of late.

    This psychophantic ramblings back and forth is tiresome and unprofessional. Yes I have been following some of the melodrama here of late. You have no room to be accusing AP Miller of unprofessionalism because you began with your own unmitigated unprofessionalism and lit the fire under her. I don’t blame her coming out with her own guns aiming at you. You all deserve it. She has done nothing wrong to any of you but fire right back. She can walk away from here and just ignore you all which time and again I have advised her. But I know she’s hurt and what does someone do when they’re hurt by someone or more than one? They retaliate. We are all genetically predisposed to do so. This has all been one big cat fight, a very childish one as well. However, I must say do you know it just makes her name that much more well-known. You’re feeding the fire of promoting her. So the joke is in some way upon you all. Patti isn’t blameless either but at the same time I don’t understand why you started on her to begin with. She’s only fighting back and like I said, it’s only a natural defense mechanism and she’s entitled to it. And don’t start on the semantics of spelling. Even the greatest writers are the worst spellers. As an editor I can tell you some pretty interesting rough drafts grace my desk by some of our leading print authors today. But anyway, I know Patti’s work and I know the work of some of the others posting here. She doesn’t deserve half of what’s been flung around this garbage heap of a blog. Granted maybe someone has an axe to grind. And others are bored and jumping on a bandwagon because they think Karen is God’s gift who knows best. Only God knows best. You’re not God. When you realize that I might alter some of my own opinions of half of you here.

    Look, I am an editor but I won’t say with whom because I wish to keep them out of this. This is not my company’s concern. However at the same time, I will tell you let it be known, there are publishing companies who pay us to read these blogs to see who are the troublemakers and the noisemakers. We don’t take kindly to the flaming especially when it’s our own clients. We don’t go around mudslinging other publishing houses’ clients. We don’t think mudslinging is very professional. This isn’t politics. I could care less about politics other than the love of my life is in Iraq right now. Get it in your head, you make me less inclined to allow anything some of you would send my way get seen by my editor-in-chief. There’s a little receptacle called a trash can and I love dropping things into it. Paper shredders are even better. Don’t call us, we’ll call you…or not.

    Granted I know Karen might not have aspirations to be published… and she certainly wouldn’t ever be by my company. God forbid another hapless writer bearing the same godforsaken name sends anything my way she’ll never know why she didn’t get that great American novel published with us. Oops, my bad. It just kind of slipped into my paper shredder. My secretary can decide whether it’s worth her time to even send any of you a rejection letter. She’ll get paid whether she sends you one or not.

    My advice I know you won’t follow is to keep posting your opinions but leave the petty bickering to private e-mail or gossip sessions at High Tea. And don’t sit here and profess to know best because nobody knows best but God and to put yourself above God is just blasphemy and you’ll go to Hell for it. God Save the Queen. It’s not her fault she rules over spoilt rotten bored individuals.

    Giving your opinion is one thing, flaming and blasphemy is just against all rules. But you know, you can keep on too. We editors and publishers will just continue stockpiling evidence to justify why we won’t publish you or promote you or stock your books. Forgive us if we chat amongst the other publishing houses our own opinions on certain individuals. After all, we enjoy a good gabfest ourselves. And yes we do have good gabfests with other publishers. It’s how we keep each other abreast of what’s hot and what’s not and who’s who.

    Find another boring subject to peak our interest. It might change our opinions of those we’ve read posting here. Or not. I know you could care less what we think of you especially Karen. And this woman named Teresa. Oh yeah, we have your number Teresa. I think you take the cake in unprofessional almost more than Karen does.

    Have a terrific Thursday. It’s time for lunch with a delicious man who’s going to grace the cover of a new book soon. It’s men like him who make us women who are approaching 40 look good. They know we’re their meal ticket and we can make them or break them. At least men know their place and know when to shut up.

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  • StefKelsey
    September 19
    3:10 am

    Karen, I wouldn’t know. My interaction with them ended with my exit from eXtasy.

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