AztecLady Speaks: Contests, Promotion, Professionalism and Choices

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Please note that I am not naming any names because I’m trying to address a general issue. It’s neither about pointing fingers nor embarrassing someone {K: Dammit, has she learned nothing from me!?}. Perhaps naïvely, but I hope what you are about to read may help authors maximize their promotion efforts.

First, allow me to present three different scenarios, all seen around the blogosphere in the past month or so:

Scenario A

A couple of days after I wrote this piece, I happened upon one of the blogs where I won—and never received—a couple of books last year. I have learned since that this is one of the biggest multi-author blogs around. Being intrigued by that, I started following the blog again for a few days. (Yes, I know I have too much free time.)

I read a few of the posts and posted a few comments, etc. and started noticing what I perceived to be a pattern. Some authors would post a contest but not determine an end date, or if they did, said date would come and go without announcement of the winners. Since this was related to the issues I wrote about before, I mulled it over and finally, the light bulb flashed! So I emailed this to the blog admin:

Hi, there.

I posted something about this at (link to post at Karen’s), but I’ve been thinking about it some more. I didn’t share, and won’t, that two of the prizes I never got last year were from authors who still blog at (blog in question). I *did* stop reading the blog for a rather long while after that, though, and only recently came back as a reader and commenter.

Yet I can’t help but notice that—as of (date)—there are two posts with contests (posts in question) to which winners should have been announced but nothing from either the authors themselves, or the blog itself.

When these things happen at an author’s blog, or at readers’ blogs, the potential PR fallout is to those specific author/blogs. In a large multi authors blog like (blog in question), the damage affects the other authors. Fair or not, it’s inevitable.

I’m wondering if perhaps (blog in question) should consider having someone following up on these things and making sure the authors follow through (with announcements and prizes). Or perhaps, have some sort of contest policy stating that only commenters who leave their email can participate and that the winner will be announced privately, or something.

I hope this email is taken in the spirit it is intended: an observation and a suggestion for improvement.

Thank you.

I honestly didn’t expect a reply, but got one. And what I got, I’m sad to say, wasn’t at all what I would have expected:

Hi,

We’re sorry that you never received your prizes. As to your suggestion on following up on everything, we simply have too many authors doing too many giveaways, and we also don’t think it’s our place to police our authors’ contests. We have shared your note (omitting your name) with all of our authors, though, so hopefully this won’t happen again.

Thank you for visiting (blog in question).

Ooooookay, said I, wondering what exactly a blog administrator does then…

I confess I’m not happy that my email got circulated without asking me—and I know for a fact that at least one author at the blog in question thought I was angry about waiting for winners’ announcements. (Goes to show the message wasn’t taken as intended. Good thing I’m not an author, huh?)

Anyway, I have continued visiting and commenting to this blog because, hey! Lotsa authors, interesting posts, interesting comments and, look over there, contests! for books!!! Which, come to think of it, would be good, right? Having people visiting the blog?

So here I am, checking the blog out, reading, commenting, what have you. And guess what? I notice that, right now as I’m typing this, there are no less than two contests for which winners should have been announced… but haven’t been. And another contest that is open ended—nothing about when it ends or when the winner will be announced.

Scenario B

At another blog, a newbie author was invited to guest blog (in order to promote her new release, of course), so she had a great post with a contest, and a cool conversation ensued with dozens of posts, and then… huh, nothing for five days or so. The blog owner posted a note to the effect that “as soon as (author) picks a winner, I’ll post the name” and then continued with blogging as usual—what else can she do, after all, right?

Scenario C

There’s a blog that posts one or two reviews by an author, then has the author guest blog, often with a contest. However, at least once in a month there was no announcement of the contest winner. I gather that the winner was contacted privately—which could mean people who posted anonymously/aren’t registered with that particular blog service *raising hand to both* probably weren’t entered in the contest (though that wasn’t specified anywhere in the blog); or that winner announcements are only made when no email/registration for the winner is available. Either way, I scratched my head a bit on that one.

Now, let’s see.

Obviously—as I said at least once in my previous post—I understand that life happens to everyone and that authors are people. In many cases, they are people with day jobs, family, and a whole host of other issues. I get it, I promise you I do.

But I wonder if some readers will see these things—particularly if/when it’s a pattern for author X or Z—and since people are people, through association they form a negative opinion of the writer’s product. Because, lest we forget, the entire point of authors blogging (as authors), and chatting, and especially having contests is to promote the products they have for sale: their books.

This got me to thinking that perhaps authors are spreading themselves too thin—contributing regularly to too many places as part of their promotion efforts, while writing; doing edits and/or rewrites; firing off proposals; and dealing with all the other aspects of being published.

And all this on top of everyday, family and, often, day job responsibilities.

In this comment thread over at Dear Author, which is mainly about whether writers should review, a couple of authors mentioned time constraints. The bit that struck me the most in this sense is in this comment by Nora Roberts:

I think a writer’s job is to write. The rest is choice.

As an outsider to the publishing side of writing, I can only speak to what I see from my side of the fence, but I think Ms Roberts makes tremendous sense. Yes, it’s obvious that she—and other writers with big sale numbers, or dozens of books published—are in a different position than Suzie Q Newbie who’s trying to up the numbers for her second release in order to get a new contract for her current manuscript (or something like that, remember, not a writer here, I’m speaking out of… well, you know). Suzie Q Newbie probably doesn’t have a huge promotion budget from the publisher and has to rely on her own efforts—and budget—to improve her chances of being noticed by readers among the hundreds of new books out there.

Still, the underlying principle remains true. Authors have limited time; therefore, they should exercise that choice wisely, in order to maximize the effort to benefit ratio.

As I said at the beginning, I’m not naming names nor places, {K: DAMMIT!} because—again—this is not about individual authors. It’s not about sour grapes, it’s not about anger or bitterness, and it’s not about readers feeling entitled to anything. These are merely observations I’ve made, and my hope is that perhaps one or two authors may gain some insight into a)how some readers perceive these things, and b)more efficient ways to manage their online/blogging promotion time.

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  1. AvatarAngela James
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    Samhain has a contest that we began back in November that was for taglines. We haven’t “announced” the grand prize winner yet, though they have been privately notified. But we’ve held off on official announcements because we’ve been figuring out promo for the next year, there were some great entries, and we want to make sure that we give awards to everyone who’s idea we may use or adapt, but we can’t know for sure until we’re done setting everything up.

    It’s not quite the same, but every time I read your posts about this, I feel guilty, though I don’t think it’s exactly the same, it could be perceived to be to someone who doesn’t know what we’re doing.

  2. AvatarAlly Blue
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    Obviously I can’t speak for that blog or those authors (whoever they might be *g*), but yeah, it’s easy to spread yourself too thin. It’s insidious, really. It creeps up on you, and before you know it you have three deadlines and two sets of edits for two different pubs in the next six months, all on top of your 40+-hour-a-week Evil Day Job, family, friends, and life in general. Promo is necessary but for most of us has to be squeezed into the cracks.

    That said, though, I’ve never forgotten or otherwise failed to give out a prize. Probably because Ally the Queen of Absentmindedness is paranoid about forgetting things and thus has multiple reminders on her calendar about stuff like that O_O BUT, I haven’t always announcement my contest winner publically. It depends. I do try to always mention in the contest announcement that the winner will be notified off list, but, hm, yeah. I never thought about readers noticing stuff like that, most likely because it never occurred to me that someone wouldn’t follow through with the promised prize. Do you think it would have caught your attention if you’d received your prize?

    Will definitely have to pay more attention to those winners’ announcements…

  3. AvatarAlly Blue
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    , I haven’t always announcement my contest winner publically
    ANNOUNCED, that is. Geez >_<
    **facepalm**

  4. AvatarSara Reinke
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    I’m with you, Angie, and it may just be the latent former Catholic in me, LOL, but I feel guilty too reading this.

    I really, really, really try to stay on top of what prizes I’m offering and where, and following up on the delivery of said prizes. I promise! Giving away ebooks has always helped me tremendously, versus print books or other giveaways that must be mailed, because that’s something I can send out immediately upon notification of the winner.

    I recently amended my website where I offer free bookmarks upon request from readers to allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. Not because shipping takes that long, of course, but because it often takes my synapses that long to fire enough in reminder to get me to print labels, stuff envelopes and drop them into the mail box, LOL.

    I could offer a bevy of excuses, many of which Azteclady already outlined: full time job, kids, household chores, promo, writing, laundry, blogging, bills and other aspects of life, liberty and the elusive pursuit of independent wealth. But I do my best to be a professional and get things out when I say I will, because my readers mean a lot to me, and that they take the time to contact me, or participate in a contest in which I’ve offered a prize, means even more.

    I definitely agree that stretching yourself too thin can be a big problem to an author trying to build a readership following. It’s important to realize our own limitations both as writers and as people, and not to over-extend or over-commit ourselves. I’ve found that keeping a detailed calendar/journal helps me immeasurably, and planning out a year’s worth of promotions as much in advance as possible, as well. This includes listing what contests I sign up for — including my own — and what prizes I’ve committed to.

    And if I ever offer a prize I fail to deliver — please, dear God, email and remind me, LOL. Because despite all of my fail-safes in place, I would still sometimes forget my head if God hadn’t so thoughtfully fused it to the top of my neck.

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  6. Avatarbettie
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    Ugh. I was three weeks behind in announcing a contest winner. :( This post served as a wake-up call. I posted that long-delayed announcement today.

  7. AvatarRosie
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    Azteclady I think I get your point, however, if it shakes people up into noticing they aren’t on top of their game, that’s good too.

  8. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
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    Ever know you’re about to fall off a cliff but keep going anyway…

    I saw the email that you sent to the group blog. I was one of the two authors referenced in that email. I think it took me 5-6 days to post the winner to my blog contest. I don’t have an excuse for taking 5-6 days (because we’re all busy, so that one doesn’t cut it), so I’ll just apologize globally for that. I will give you some insight into my cluelessness and say that I honestly did not think that was a problem, but you did so I took the criticism seriously. I debated if I should just stop giving away freebies – not out of anger but because I wondered about the overall intelligence on my part of giving stuff away but doing so in a way that turned readers off. Obviously, that’s counterproductive to what I’m trying to do. I’m still mulling over what to do about that.

    My question is this: I totally understand being upset with an author who routinely has contests and doesn’t send out prizes. That’s not okay. What I don’t get is the frustration with authors who give stuff away but don’t immediately post winners. Why is the amount of time it takes for an author to post a winner upsetting? I’m not trying to be a jerk (ie, Karen – do not add me to your Authors Behaving Badly list because I’ll cry). I’m truly trying to figure out why announcing a contest winner on a Friday rather than a Tuesday translates into anyone thinking poorly of the author. I really want to understand why that is upsetting because I’m not getting it and hate when I don’t get stuff.

  9. AvatarThe Administrator
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    Azteclady,

    No, we are not going to police our group blog’s authors. They’re adults, not children. If it comes to our attention that a winner has not received a prize or a winner has not been announced, we will happily give the author in question a nudge. Beyond that, we prefer to treat our authors with respect and believe in good faith that when they announce a contest, they’ll follow up on it in a timely manner.

    I’m curious which contests on our blog have not announced a winner. I just went through several weeks’ worth of posts and could find only one, which was the post that went up yesterday, where the contest is still ongoing. If you could give me the dates of the two contests where the winners should have been announced, we will look into the matter.

    As for your email being shared, you contacted us on this issue, I’m assuming, for the purpose of hoping we would do something about it. If alerting our authors was not what you wanted us to do, then I’m really confused what you meant for us to do about it. Since we did not mention your name, I didn’t see any problem with forwarding the entirety of your note instead of just paraphrasing it.

  10. Avatarrae
    10

    I’m truly trying to figure out why announcing a contest winner on a Friday rather than a Tuesday translates into anyone thinking poorly of the author. I really want to understand why that is upsetting because I’m not getting it and hate when I don’t get stuff.

    I don’t know about your contests but I’ve seen contests where the blog says they’ll announce the winners the following day after the contest ends. Then they don’t when you check back the following day. Or the day after. Or the day after that. I personally find that very unprofessional. If you say you are going to do something at a particular time then you should do it. How the long does it take to edit a blog post to put the winner? A minute? Its fine to say you don’t have enough time to do it but then how come the bloggers seem to have enough time to post other posts or post replies on other people’s journals.

    If you are going to run a contest and give prizes you should organise your time effectively so you can post the winner when you say you are going to and post the prizes in good time. If you can’t do that then you should post to say why you can’t. A little communication goes a long way. And if you can’t find the time to do any of that you shouldn’t bother running contests.

    I’m not inclined to buy authors who I think are behaving in an unprofessional manner.

  11. AvatarAnonymous
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    I really want to understand why that is upsetting because I’m not getting it and hate when I don’t get stuff.

    Because generally if you state you’re going to announce a winner on a certain date, people come back expecting to see that. If it’s not there, it makes it *seem* as if the author(s) don’t care about anyone else’s time but their own.

  12. AvatarAnonymous
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    Beyond that, we prefer to treat our authors with respect

    What about the bloggers/readers? Isn’t it important to treat them with an equal amount of respect? Not seeing that here.

  13. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
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    Rae – Thanks for explaining. That’s not the sort of thing that strikes me as unprofessional, but I do understand that you feel differently. With that in mind, let me ask you this: if an author knows she is one of those people who forgets details like this and will, from time to time, neglect to post the winner the next day (or on whatever date is given), is it better in your view that the author just not give stuff away?

    Again, I’m not trying to be a jerk. I’m just trying to get a sense of how readers feel about this issue. I’m speaking from personal experience as an author who has gone a few days without posting winners and who, honestly, has zero desire to alienate readers. I’m being realistic in knowing this is going to happen for me. It just is. I’m not making excuses. Just stating a fact. I’m trying to figure out, knowing how I am and that this is bound to happen, and now knowing your views on the unprofessionalism issue, is your advice just not to do giveaways? That’s my inclination.

  14. AvatarKaren Scott
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    Author Comment

    If you are going to run a contest and give prizes you should organise your time effectively so you can post the winner when you say you are going to and post the prizes in good time.

    I think that’s the point that AL is making actually. It seems pointless to me to promise the readers something, and not deliver ’til days, sometimes weeks after. If you know that you don’t have the time, don’t do it. Because invariably, you’ll piss somebody off, when you fail to live up to your promise.

    That’s why I don’t really do review requests these days. Too much stress and guilt when I don’t get round to it.

  15. AvatarShiloh Walker
    15

    I don’t know if I always publicly announce winners to my contests either, although I do try to make an announcement that the contest has ended…more just to avoid having people email me asking if it’s still open. ;)

  16. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
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    I think that is the answer, Karen. I know me. I know it sometimes takes a few days for me to post a winner. Since I have no desire to anger people – especially when I’m trying to do something nice like give away something for free – that means I shouldn’t do it. Fair enough. Now I know.

  17. AvatarThe Administrator
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    We will also pass along to our authors the knowledge that if they think they might not always announce a winner promptly, they shouldn’t do any contests.

  18. Avatarazteclady
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    HelenKay,

    Ever know you’re about to fall off a cliff but keep going anyway…

    Exactly what I felt while writing this post.

    rae and Anon have made the points I wanted to make.

    I understand–should I swear it on a stack of religious texts?–that life gets in the way. I think most people are reasonable enough to understand that.

    But methinks there are ways to minimize its impact on your professional image, and authors should consider them.

    Administrator, I know I’m not a writer and, further, English is not my first language, so it’s understandable that we are having communication issues. My email was directed to you, instead of say, the two authors running the contest, because I was not whining or complaining about those two contests specifically. My intention, clearly stated, was to suggest a possible alternative that would help the images of all the authors who post to the blog. I didn’t think–still don’t, as a matter of fact–that having someone keeping track of contests, or coordinating them, was disrespectful to the authors. I thought it would be helpful, and a win-win to all authors and the blog.

    Why does it bother me that my email was circulated to all the authors? Well, you may have stripped my email and handle, but not the link to my post here at Karen’s, which pretty much let the cat out of the bag, didn’t it?

  19. AvatarThe Administrator
    19

    I haven’t posted a link to this post to any of our authors. If they’ve found it, they did so on their own. And you’re the one that posted both your email and our email on this public blog, so if anyone let the cat out of the bag, it was you.

  20. AvatarHolly
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    I’m trying to figure out, knowing how I am and that this is bound to happen, and now knowing your views on the unprofessionalism issue, is your advice just not to do giveaways? That’s my inclination.

    I realize this question wasn’t directed at me, and forgive me for jumping in here, but I think the point of this post isn’t that authors shouldn’t have giveaways. It’s that common courtesy should be extended to those who enter and/or read your blog/visit your website.

    Let’s say you’ve invited me to dinner. We agree on a set time/date for me to arrive and confirm the day before that yes, we’re still on. I say, “see you tomorrow” but never show up. No call, no show. You’ve gone to all the trouble of preparing a meal, and I couldn’t be bothered to show up, or to notify you that I can’t for whatever reason. Then, to make matters worse, because I’m busy with other things, I don’t bother to explain why I didn’t show for oh, three or four days. At which time I just say, “Oh, right, dinner…”. At this point, how are you feeling? Rather annoyed with me, I’d think, right?

    Now, let’s say I couldn’t make dinner for whatever reason, but I called to let you know. My kids were sick or something else came up or my mother-in-law showed up unexpectedly. Having contacted you ahead of time, you knew I wouldn’t be there. Or maybe even after that fact, I called and apologized and explained then. You might still be somewhat annoyed with me, but chances are you aren’t going to be as angry with me as if I did the no call, no show, right?

    I think that’s the point AL is trying to make. Just apply some common courtesy to the situation and if you don’t have time to announce a winner say, “Sorry, I know I said I’d announce the winner today, but I need a few extra” or “I know I said I’d announce the winner a few days ago, but I’m so sorry, something came up”. That’s it. I don’t think authors need to not do giveaways, I just think they need to be courteous to the ones who enter, to their readers, their fans.

    Just my two cents. :)

  21. Avatarazteclady
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    Administrator, when you circulated my original email to your authors, you included the link to my first post on this topic here at Karen’s–this one was written at least a week after you and I exchanged emails, and it was posted today.

    Finis

    Folks, the above is why I tried hard not to make either of these posts about any authors or blogs in the specific: it derails the conversation into the personal when that’s not the point.

    HelenKay, I’ve been thinking about your questions on how to avoid having problems. I will try to write something coherent with some suggestions, from my point of view as a reader. Perhaps that would help someone.

  22. AvatarAnonymous
    22

    I think that’s the point AL is trying to make. Just apply some common courtesy to the situation and if you don’t have time to announce a winner say, “Sorry, I know I said I’d announce the winner today, but I need a few extra” or “I know I said I’d announce the winner a few days ago, but I’m so sorry, something came up”. That’s it. I don’t think authors need to not do giveaways, I just think they need to be courteous to the ones who enter, to their readers, their fans.

    What Holly said. That or just say that the winner will be announced within the next # days or within the week. Just don’t give a definite date/deadline if you aren’t 100% sure you can meet it. If it’s a vague date, “Will announce the winner within the next week”… there you go. Everyone’s happy.

  23. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
    23

    Holly – I see what you’re saying but to me the courtesy is in offering freebies and mailing them at my cost in the first place. Me taking a day or two to name a winner doesn’t impact whether or not there actually will be a winner. But, again, I’m alone in this belief. Readers are offended. Thanks to AL, I now get that. I truly think the safest thing is not to do giveaways. I’d rather do that than risk being called unprofessional.

    And now I am signing off and going back to my deadline…

  24. AvatarKaren Scott
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    Author Comment

    We will also pass along to our authors the knowledge that if they think they might not always announce a winner promptly, they shouldn’t do any contests.

    You know what I heard in my head when I read the above comment?

    “From now on, we wont be posting as many contests because one of our readers thinks we shouldn’t bother if we’re likely to forget or not post winners on time.”

    I’m not sure how your comment is supposed to read Admin Person, but from where I’m sitting, it comes across as quite petulant, no?

    Azteclady makes a good point I think. This is not a vendetta against Access Romance, this is just one reader’s opinion, and instead of getting all huffy about it, just accept the fact that not all of the readers who visit AR will understand when promises aren’t kept for one reason or another.

    And knowing AL, I daresay she probably thought she was being helpful when she sent the e-mail in the first place.

  25. AvatarKaren Scott
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    Author Comment

    Folks, the above is why I tried hard not to make either of these posts about any authors or blogs in the specific: it derails the conversation into the personal when that’s not the point.

    AL, I already told you that no good deed goes unpunished, this is what you get for trying to be diplomatic instead of just being an outright bastard:)

  26. AvatarThe Administrator
    26

    All right. I’ll make one more statement and then I’m done with this issue.

    Our authors don’t make a lot of money. We’ve often discussed promotions with them, and they all know that doing contests and giveaways, in the grand scheme of things, don’t impact their overall sales. So they give away things for free because a) readers expect it of them, and b) they actually enjoy doing it.

    When stuff like this happens, that takes away the enjoyment. Let me repeat: contests and giveaways have very little promotional value. It’s not going to significantly increase an author’s book sales.

    So, if life gets in the way (and authors work hard and they work A LOT) and there’s even the slightest chance that contests will make them look bad, then why would they continue doing it? Saying, “Okay, then I won’t do any more contests” is not petulance so much as an expression of frustration that something that’s done for fun is being turned into something nasty.

    On a personal level, I hate it when people don’t keep their promises. And I’d be very upset if I won something and never got it. But the thing is, authors don’t HAVE to do contests. If complaints like this makes well-meaning and generous authors like HelenKay decide contests aren’t worth the fuss, then it’s not authors who lose out, it’s the readers who like to win free stuff.

  27. AvatarShiloh Walker
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    Hey HelenKay, just in case you’re still around… ;) Do what I do and be vague. I usually state within a few days… or shortly after the end of the month. And I also have been note to state that I’m notoriously forgetful so if it doesn’t happen, would somebody please remind me…

  28. AvatarShiloh Walker
    28

    I was reading through the comments and my feelings on the whole thing in general is that things *do* happen and the occasional delay is also going to happen.

    But it should be occasional, not frequent.

    Regarding the deal with the blog administrator, in all honesty, I don’t think it’s the blog administrator’s responsibility to police the authors represented. An admin is going to make sure the site is maintained, broken links are fixed, posts are being posted, emails answered, etc, etc.

    Not a blog, but Writerspace has a HUGE number of authors and they run regular contests. They forward prize info onto their authors, but they don’t email the authors asking if prizes were mailed~ the author is an adult and should understand their responsibility. Wrapping lose ends up would be more on a promo manager’s job but not all authors can afford to hire one. If a writer (like me) knows she’s the forgetful type, she needs to bear in mind that missing things can disappoint readers, it reflects badly, and she should work to prevent instances like this. Readers most likely understand the occasional mishap. The repeated one? Not so much and that’s understandable.

    Regarding missed/delayed/never-ended contests, again, my thinking is that while things (ie: life) are going to happen, the author has a responsibility to readers if they have a contest. One of the reasons I rarely announce a hard and fast closing date is because I know how often things(ie: life) happen and usually when I’ve got a million other things going on. So I tend to be vague…Ie: winners will be posted shortly after the end of the month.

    But I do have to speak as a writer that sometimes we get slammed. Sometimes we get hit with fifty things at once and it’s not always something we can prepare for.

    Some of us organize our time and work on things accordingly. I make post office runs usually on Monday. Just once a week. The post office I use is 15 miles away, give or take, and with gas prices, I’m not making five runs a week. I try to email the winner and let them know when they can expect the prize, but I don’t always remember.

    Being slammed, it’s probably my writing schedule but the way things play out for me is that I’ll get edits on an ebook and within a week or so, I usually get edits from Berkley. It’s a Murphy law thing, because at the same time, I get a request to cover for a sick nurse at my old day job, or one of MY kids will end up sick (whimper, knock on wood because I just got edits a few days ago) and then something else unexpected happens. Oh, like say your website goes down for some reason. :-( Yes, speaking from personal experience there…

    Finding a winner sounds like to takes a few minutes, but it can get more complicated than that. Going through the winners, making sure there weren’t duplicated entries (oye, that alone can be a time-consuming process) posting the entry, editing ~in my case editing oh, say… four to five times ;) ~ It’s not a few minutes for me. It’s usually takes about a half an hour. I like to keep up my end of the bargain and I have no problem taking that 30 minutes. But if I get a call that my child is sick at school, or my old boss calls and says they’ve been swamped, half their staff is sick with the flu, and can’t I please, oh please come help… chances are I’m going to put that 30 minutes off a day or two.

    If it’s an isolated instance, it’s possible something (ie: life) came up or the writer had a bunch of work stuff drop on her and the contest slipped her mind. If there are particular contests standing out, maybe just drop whoever the author is a note. Sometimes that little note is all it takes and it sure beats wondering.

    But if it’s a frequent thing with said author, then I’d say this sort of post should serve as a wake-up call. Regardless of what the reasoning is, if it’s a persistent thing, it does bespeak a lack of courtesy.

  29. AvatarAnne
    29

    So they give away things for free because a) readers expect it of them

    Readers do NOT expect if of them. I’m not sure where you got that information from. I go to author blogs to interact with them, maybe see what they’ve got coming out, and, if I’m lucky, read an excerpt. I certainly do not expect them to give me anything.

    What is the purpose of an ARC or an author’s copy of a book if not to give them to readers, in a contest or not, and help promote the book in one form or another? Am I incorrect in thinking this?

  30. AvatarKeri Arthur
    30

    as an author who has been in this position–I’ve run contests where people haven’t got their prizes–I actually really appreciate a follow-up email. I live in Australia, so most of the prizes I send head overseas, and trust me, lots of things do get lost in the mail. If people don’t follow up–don’t let me know their prizes didn’t get there–then I can’t do anything about it.

    So my advice if you don’t get your promised prize, would be to contact the author direct.

  31. AvatarThe Administrator
    31

    My apologies, Anne. What I should have said is that *some* readers expect it. We’ve seen readers say that they won’t buy the books of authors who don’t offer a contest. That attitude is probably (hopefully) on the extreme end of the spectrum, but an author that sees such a comment would most likely take it to heart.

    As far as ARCs go, it’s my impression that their main purpose is for distributing to reviewers, not readers. I might be wrong about that–an author or publisher professional would be better equipped to comment on that.

  32. Avatarazteclady
    32

    Karen,

    AL, I already told you that no good deed goes unpunished, this is what you get for trying to be diplomatic instead of just being an outright bastard:)

    *grumble* Rub it in, why don’t you? *grumble*

    Shiloh, I actually like very much when authors are clear on things like these (which, coincidentally, you do *grin*): state that it’s the winner’s responsibility to check the blog and contact the author with email/snail mail info; set a flexible announcement date and/or apologize for lateness; be upfront about forgetfulness and/or potential Murphy’s Law happenings.

    Anne, in my original piece I mentioned that a couple of authors made posting a review part of the requirements to win ARCs/author copies. As I said then, I think that is brilliant. Other people’s mileage probably differs from mine.

  33. Avatarbyrdloves2read
    33

    I’ve noticed this problem but metaphorically shrugged my shoulders. After checking the blog for a few days, I just figured the author forgot about the blog, then I quit checking. I think I’ve gotten all the books I’ve won, but I don’t really sweat it or track it. Truthfully, I forget sometimes who’s offering prizes. Hey, they’re freebies, I’m not going to complain. Um, I’ve gotten more laid back since retirement, I’ll admit.

  34. AvatarAnne
    34

    My apologies, Anne. What I should have said is that *some* readers expect it. We’ve seen readers say that they won’t buy the books of authors who don’t offer a contest. That attitude is probably (hopefully) on the extreme end of the spectrum, but an author that sees such a comment would most likely take it to heart.

    Apology accepted… and readers seriously say that? Wow. I’ve never said that so no one can call me greedy. :-)

    Anne, in my original piece I mentioned that a couple of authors made posting a review part of the requirements to win ARCs/author copies. As I said then, I think that is brilliant. Other people’s mileage probably differs from mine.

    Yes! I’ve done that a lot actually. It is a brilliant way to promote yourself and spread the word about your book. I agree. *nodding to AztecLady*

  35. AvatarAlison Kent
    35

    Finding a winner sounds like to takes a few minutes, but it can get more complicated than that.

    What Shiloh said.

    It’s a sad thing to have to report, but there are readers who cheat in order to win. Yep. They post under multiple email addresses, under multiple names, but they don’t seem to realize that many blog programs log IPs (and I’m not talking about the AOL hubs). Then there are the readers who switch email addys and their public user name over and over. If an author goes by her memory (and I have a very good one), she may pick a winner whose name and addy she doesn’t recognize in order to award something to a new visitor – only to find out it’s someone who’s won from her multiple times in the past.

    I have stopped doing regular website contests because of the sweepers and cheaters. I still do blog giveaways, but that may be coming to an end, too. Why? Because as much as most readers are grateful and thoughtful, there are some who email 3 days after I’ve announced their name wanting to know where their prize is. Then when they don’t have it in their hands 2 days after that, they email again. There are also those who claim not to have received something (in order to receive a duplicate?) when the USPS delivery confirmation proves it reached them. It is just not worth the hassle.

    Truthfully, I forget sometimes who’s offering prizes. Hey, they’re freebies, I’m not going to complain.

    Thank you, byrdloves2read! LOL!

  36. AvatarShiloh Walker
    36

    They post under multiple email addresses, under multiple names, but they don’t seem to realize that many blog programs log IPs

    Cheaters suck. :(

    Just another note, ‘demanding’ readers aren’t the norm for me, not at all. But unfortunately some can be demanding to the point that it sours a girl. One of the contests I do through Writerspace, I got the winner’s info and mailed out the prize about a week later.

    I kid you not, the day AFTER I mailed the prize, the winner emailed me and demanded, (not nicely either) wanting to know why she hadn’t gotten her prize yet. I mostly just shrugged it off, emailed her and let her know I only make post office runs once a week and her prize had gone out the day before~she should get it within the next few days. But the kicker… the contest rules state that prizes will be mailed within 4-6 WEEKS. But she didn’t even give me 10 days.

    But on the flip side, I once had a reader wait two months for a prize and she was as sweet as she could be. It took me about two weeks, which is on the long side for me, to mail her the prize and she never got it. After about a month, she emailed me, nice as can be and let me know it wasn’t received.

    It ended up coming back to me a few weeks after that because I’d transposed the numbers, did the wrong state or something. Totally my fault, my screw up. But she was about as sweet about the whole mess as possible. Thankfully, that’s more the normal experience for me than somebody emailing me within a week and wanting to know why the prize wasn’t received yet.

    And one more note… cheaters suck. ;-) They are the whole reason I do more and more contests thru my blog, because I can track IP addies. The ones I know are trying to rig it don’t even make it into the drawing, which is why it takes more than a few minutes. It’s sad when a few select people try to ruin things for everybody, but I’ll be damned if I let somebody that I know is cheating win a prize when somebody who plays by the rules misses out.

  37. Avatarkatiebabs
    37

    I have been very lucky to get books or other prizes whenever I have won in a contest.
    I also do contests on a clog and wait till I receive the books till I post. I volunteer to mail the prizes out by the middle of the next week. That’s just me! But I can understand if you win something and months later, nada.

  38. AvatarJody W.
    38

    Some readers *do* expect contests and freebies from authors. I’m nowhere near as multipubbed as other authors who’ve responded here, and even I’ve had readers email asking me to give them free stuff, to find out when the next contest is, to enter contests when I’m not running one, etc.

    When I do contests, I’m vague about when I’m going to announce winners. I haven’t had a contest where the winner had to check a site to find out if they scored — all my contests involve me contacting the winner. In the future I will double check that I’m being clear this is the case so as not to frustrate the 8 people who didn’t win *heh*.

  39. AvatarCindy
    39

    I was co-owner of an online promotional company and I agree, contests don’t impact overall sales in a *big* way, BUT they can and DO bring in potential new readers. And if that new reader enjoys whatever book they’ve won and talk about it to their friends…yet more potential new readers…that can only *help* sales.

    On the other hand, awarding someone a prize and never sending it to them (I’m talking about with most every contest they run…not the occasional “life” stuff interrupting) and being rude to them when they ask about it? That can and will impact an author’s sales too…and not in a good way.

    I also think it’s just sad that some readers expect contests and free stuff from authors. I enjoy entering contests and yep, I enjoy winning too, but expect it? Absolutely not. I don’t think an author owes me anything. Well, except for Nora. She owes me for all the sleep I’ve missed over the years reading the In Death books. ;o) LOL! hehehe…

    Cindy
    can’t even begin to count all the auto-buy authors I have now and “found” them by winning contests.

  40. AvatarAnne
    40

    I have been very lucky to have won ARCs and prizes and never, not one single time, did I not express my thanks and gratitude. Why? Because the author went out of their way to do something nice for the readers and bloggers. I even let the authors know when I receive the book if possible. In fact, I recently received an ARC and I was surprised by how FAST it got to me. I was expecting a couple weeks more at least, but this author was quick like Speedy Gonzales and I emailed her the minute I got it in from the mailbox.

    Know something else? I don’t mind waiting for a prize. Not at all. I mean, jeez, authors are people too. They have families and lives and responsibilities, and as much as we might imagine them having cabana boys name Raul and Miguel, a cleaning lady named Marge, and a chef named Franco, it’s so not true… well maybe it is for some, who knows. But most authors? Nope… even as much as they wish it were true *G*

  41. AvatarSeressia
    41

    Jumping in to comment then going back to read.

    I can understand where AL and others are coming from. It IS a professional thing. If you tell your editor you’re going to get your manuscript in on a certain day, do you let that day pass without communicating something to your editor?

    Sure you may be giving something away for free and the readers should be happy to get it, but you aren’t doing it because you love to do it. You’re doing it because you hope the reader will enjoy your voice and go pick up your backlist. You’re hoping to collect emails for your newsletter. You’re hoping they’ll tell all their friends about this really cool writer that gave them a free book/prize. You’re not doing it out of the kindness of your heart. No one is.

  42. AvatarTMS
    42

    HelenKay, this is just my opinion, but if I were you I wouldn’t stop doing giveaways. Maybe say, “I’ll post the winner NEXT WEEK” Or “I’ll post the winner between Tues. and Fri.” or something like that. Give yourself a few days to get it done. :)

    (forgive me if someone already said that, I haven’t had time to read all the comments)

  43. AvatarJackie L.
    43

    I have actually won three books from blogs. One was a Harvey (except I can’t dent the walls, I just spent 2 weekends covering all the old dings up with spackle, in preparation for a summer painting spree.)

    The second one I absolutely loved and it has encouraged me to explore e-books, which are things that I have previously avoided like the plague. (Like Weird Al’s Amish, I am technologically impaired.) (Thanks, again, waving to Shiloh.)

    The third one is in the mail.

    But as a reader, I don’t expect anything from authors except an enjoyable read. Correct grammar, no plot-holes that I could drive a VW through, a hero and a heroine who are engaging enough that I am not rooting for the villain, all definite pluses.

    Contests, fun and interesting blog comments, an attractive website, also pluses.

    What I think is the coolest thing about Romance Land, is that I am no longer dependent on the craptastic covers and the crummy 6 sentence back cover blurbs to find a new author.

    So whatever extra you can fit into your outrageously hectic schedules, as a reader, I am grateful.

  44. AvatarJackie L.
    44

    Oh, hey, Helen Kay, you won something over on Barbara Vey’s PW blog. (Grin.)

  45. AvatarShiloh Walker
    45

    The second one I absolutely loved and it has encouraged me to explore e-books, which are things that I have previously avoided like the plague. (Like Weird Al’s Amish, I am technologically impaired.) (Thanks, again, waving to Shiloh.)

    Heh. Ebooks are an EASY prize, too…one of my fave reasons to give them away. And so much easier on the gas tank. ;)

  46. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
    46

    Seressia – I have to respectfully disagree. Those situations aren’t the same. My deadline is a legal obligation I have to my publisher (under a threat of a lawsuit) and pursuant to a written adn negotiated contract. Me running a contest and giving away something on my blog is something I do because I want to do it, not because I have to. The question has been if I am unprofessional for not immediately posting a winner. I don’t think I am. Forgetful, maybe. Unprofessional? I just don’t see it. That is way too strong a charge for me to comprehend in conjunction with this issue (the issue being how soon winners are posted after the contest starts), but I now understand that others feel differently. Now, if I never picked winners and never sent prizes, then yes, that would be unprofessional (and stupid). I really don’t know any author who does that. Man, I hope that’s not happening.

    Also, I would say the view that all authors give away items and books for purely selfish/self-promo reasons is not true. I can’t speak for everyone, but a huge chunk of what I gave away in 2007 was books written by other authors. I get books delivered to my house all the time. As a way of making sure the authors get some benefit, I give them away and ask the winners to write comments or reviews. Now, if I had $1 for every time a reader won a book on my website with the understanding he/she would post a comment or review and then didn’t do it…I’d have a big ‘ole pile of money. Just saying.

    In general, most authors thinks of giveaways as something fun and nice to do for readers. But if posting a winner’s name late leads to charges of unprofessionalism and a lack of courtesy, and a general dissatisfaction on the part of the reader, then there isn’t really a benefit to that. I hope to figure out what works for me (after this deadline!!), but thanks to azteclady (and others who commented here) I now understand there can be a very negative reaction for whatever reason. I don’t understand it and never would have thought this was a problem because, after all, the stuff is free, but it seems to be so I appreciate azteclady posting this.

    TMS – I tried that but under azteclady’s Scenario A not giving a solid end date appears to be just as annoying, so I’m not sure that solves the problem.

    Jackie L. – Thanks for letting me know about the win on the PW Blog!

    HelenKay (who now will agree to disagree and let this topic drop so Karen can have her blog back)

  47. AvatarAlison Kent
    47

    Also, I would say the view that all authors give away items and books for purely selfish/self-promo reasons is not true. I can’t speak for everyone, but a huge chunk of what I gave away in 2007 was books written by other authors.

    Ditto. I’m doing that every weekend in 2008, though the author herself supplies the copy. But I have bought hundreds of dollars worth of books by other authors, not all with whom I am personally acquainted (read: Kristan Higgans) because I want to pimp them and spread the word! I did a 12 days of Christmas giveaway and spent a ton buying books by Shannon McKenna and Lynn Viehl to share with others. I do it because I love these authors and want to get their names in front of readers. I’m also one who occasionally asks winners to post reviews for me. I just did that this weekend with Dianne Castell’s new Brava release. Most readers are THRILLED to do so, but I do notice that the entries to those giveaways have much smaller numbers than the straight freebies.

  48. Avatarheather (errantdreams)
    48

    It seems pointless to me to promise the readers something, and not deliver ’til days, sometimes weeks after.

    As a reader, I agree on weeks, but not days. Maybe the internet has made us a little too ‘instant gratification’-oriented, or maybe I’m just old enough to remember back to when contest winners were typically announced weeks—if not months—after the end of a contest. When you’re talking blogs I understand that weeks or months is a bit long, but I’d think a few days (perhaps up to a week) would be a perfectly reasonable wait time.

  49. AvatarWandering Chopsticks
    49

    Hey! I just won on Shiloh Walker’s blog so I thought I’d chime in here. I originally just commented on her blog when she mentioned Her Best Friend’s Lover, which was my first and favorite book from her. I wasn’t doing it to win anything and honestly didn’t think about it again. And then days later, I check her blog and noticed that I won a book from her backlist.

    I’m not trying to sound like a rabid fangirl, b/c I’m definitely not. Hmm. Maybe I should write this to Shiloh. But I know she reads Karen’s blog…

    As a reader, if I like an author, I start glomming everything they’ve written. So when I liked her first book, I bought her next and next. I own pretty much all of her backlist. Well, I know I have all the contemporaries anyway. I started the Hunters and liked them for a bit but they didn’t really work for me and I stopped buying those. But hey, now that I won a free ebook, maybe I’ll use it to give one of the books I read a try. So yes, giving away ebooks is a nice prize and is surely appreciated. :)

    All I’m saying to authors is, readers and real fans (not drive-bys who sign up for random contests everywhere) appreciate their favorite authors already. That I won an ebook was just a bonus. I wasn’t and don’t expect freebies. But then again, I don’t go registering for random contests anyway.

    For HelenKay, I think what AztecLady was saying (And correct me if I’m wrong), is that not announcing winners when you say you will leaves the impression that you’re not awarding the prizes. And if I recall correctly, in a previous post AL said precisely that. That she emailed the author to remind them she won and never received a reply. And that I think this happened to her several times? That’s what engenders bad feelings from a reader’s perspective, not that you’re a few days late in announcing a winner.

    As a suggestion, maybe you should reward faithful readers and not the drive-bys? For example, Rhiannon? Byrd and Madison Hayes once or twice? a month draw from the names of people who subscribe to their newsletter and announce it in their newsletter. There’s no submit for this contest by this date requirement. Plus, there’s already a pool of people you know who read your work, and they’d appreciate a nice bonus if they happen to win. Just a suggestion.

    For authors who are doing the contests to gain new readers, perhaps you can coordinate with other authors so the winner can select from the backlist of any of those authors? For instance, I know Shiloh is friends with Lora Leigh. If they held a joint contest and I won but I didn’t want anything from Shiloh’s list, I have the option of choosing from Lora’s. In the reader’s mind, if they like one author, they might like the author’s friend or author’s recommended reads. From the author’s standpoint, you’re rewarding either one of your fans or your friend’s readers.

    For people who email authors demanding freebies, well, I think those people should be ignored. Those are most likely the same people who steal ebooks and see nothing wrong with it.

    OK, I know food blogging is different from the author/writer relationship but I think my example still applies. I did a small giveaway last year for my blog birthday and made it only open to people who had commented before. A bunch of lurkers, who’ve never commented before or since, came out hoping to win a prize. But if I’m spending my hard-earned cash and awarding it to someone, I wanted to give it to someone who was already a faithful reader or commenter. I did a random drawing but I was happy that the winner was someone who was a regular commenter. And she did appreciate the gift. It was a box of various food. And she blogged about it whenever she cooked something with the contents. The end result was I was happy to give away something to someone who appreciated it, the reader was happy to get something she already knew she’d like from someone she reads regularly.

    Anyway, I usually don’t comment much, but I thought my suggestions might be helpful to some of you.

  50. AvatarMary
    50

    Sorry, but I think it is VERY unprofessional to say you’ll do something and then renege. You shouldn’t have to have a written contract to keep your word. Do it within a reasonable time and notify the others involved.

    As an author, if I say I’ll do something, whether it is to a reader, and editor or a publisher, I keep my promise. Anything else is dishonorable and unprofessional.

  51. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
    51

    Mary – No one disagrees with the idea that authors need to keep their word and give out prizes if they say they’re going to. Of course authors should do that. Notify the winner and do it within a reasonable time – I think we all agree that’s the right thing to do as well. Those general principles are not in dispute. The question we’ve been talking about is a much narrower one. It’s whether it matters if that notification happens on a Monday or a Thursday. People have said that the delay in posting a winner is a problem. That was the part that surprised me. I don’t think being late in announcing a winner of a giveaway amounts to being dishonorable or unprofessional. That seems unduly harsh to me. We can agree to see these things differently.

  52. AvatarMary
    52

    HelenKay-

    You’re right. We’ll have to disagree. It is my belief a person–author or not–should always keep their word. Now I’m not pointing at you personally–I don’t know you from Adam, but if an author said they’d announce a winner on a Monday and don’t, there should be a valid extenuating reason. Forgetting, putting it off, or just ignoring that deadline isn’t good enough. Doing that is unprofessional.

    Everyone makes mistakes, technology can fail (internet goes out), or a problem occurs in a family, but if that happens, those entered in the contest that is effected are owed an apology and an explanation.

    And it shouldn’t happen again. That’s learning from mistakes. If the author learns they can’t choose a single day and keep to it, then they should expand it and give themselves a week…and then keep make sure they keep their word. Don’t break it again. That’s what really is irritating.

    But I’m afraid no amount of reasoning will make me believe that it is okay to say I’ll do one thing and then do another without apology or explanation. Ever. My word and honor are too important to me.

    Now on the other hand, I think it’s only prudent for an author to give a time limit to send out prizes and then not feel guilt if they take every minute of that time to send them out. Give yourself a cushion and use it. Sometimes I get my prizes out immediately, sometimes I don’t. Depends on life at the time, but I make sure it’s within the time limits. Doing this, and keeping my word makes my readers know I always take care of things.

    So, if something doesn’t arrive, they know it isn’t because I’ve blown them off, it’s (like happened last summer when the PO lost 300.00 worth of books and prizes)because something dramatic has happened. They let me know and it’s taken care of immediately.

    Communicating if ANYTHING is going to be different is absolutely necessary. And some of the laws governing contests are pretty inflexible. The last thing I want to do is get in trouble for something to do with when I announce or send my prizes.

  53. AvatarAnya Howard
    53

    Mary wrote, “Sorry, but I think it is VERY unprofessional to say you’ll do something and then renege.”

    I can’t agree more. While I’m just not in the position to hold many contests/give-aways I feel it’s the right thing to deliver what you say you will. There were in the past, however, a couple of occasions when involved in a group or Publisher promo giveaway that I attempted to contact the winner of my prize via the address I was given by the event promoter. On these occasions I received no response from the winner. I don’t know if maybe my winner was disappointed they’d been picked to be my winner, lol, or maybe they provided the incorrect contact addy. Hails at the respective group loop failed to get their attention, and repeated emails received no response. When I finally concluded I wasn’t going to get a reply I let the matter go.

    If this is the reason some authors haven’t been able to deliver their word, I can understand. But on all other occasions, we simply need to remember the Golden Rule when it comes to contests and giveaways.

    Anya (Des)

  54. AvatarShiloh Walker
    54

    You’re right. We’ll have to disagree. It is my belief a person–author or not–should always keep their word.

    Mary, I think you’re being a bit harsh.

    Most of this discussion isn’t about reneging. Most of us have offered commentary about trying to be more flexible (stating sometime during the week of….etc…)or other various solutions.

    But sometimes the things that come up that interfere frankly aren’t anybody’s business but the author. Reading the way you’ve written it, if I don’t post immediately why I didn’t announce a winner on such and such date, then I owe an explanation why- I feel I owe an apology and to get the winners names announced ASAP. Beyond that, it’s my call.

    Nobody is saying it’s okay to announce contests and then blithely let weeks go by with nothing said. That is unacceptable. More, nobody is saying that even the occasional lapse is okay. Most of us agree if you state one thing, you should try to stick to it.

    But from time to time, things *do* happen that interfere and when they do, then the author should, by all means post an apology, wrap things up. But whether or not an explanation is owed is something that should be left up to the author to decide. I had serious medical problems come up a few years ago and several things of mine got delayed. I offered apologies once I return to normal life but explanations? No. It was personal, it was heartbreaking and it concerned nobody but my family and me and even explaining there was a ‘medical’ issue was painful, it was personal and it would have opened me up to 200 questions I wasn’t emotionally equipped to handle. Frankly, discussing it in even the vaguest sense was too painful but your tone implies I should have done just that. That’s not just a bit harsh, it’s judgmental and thoughtless. You may not have intended it to be so, but it’s how your words are coming across. If that is how you intended it…well, I’m wasting my breath, I suspect.

    Some delays happen because of things that are too personal of a nature to even mention, period.

    While I believe I get the general idea behind your comments, your tone is so black and white that unless people agree 100% with you, then they lack honor, integrity and fill-in-the-blank. You’re entitled to think/feel how you want, but the tone in which you deliver them is insulting and it’s actually probably going to hurt this issue rather than help it. I don’t think readers in general want to see contests disappear, but I’d imagine several people are getting a knee-jerk reaction and thinking, well hell…screw that contest idea I was planning.

    Just to make it clear, I tend to keep my ‘official’ announcements vague enough that people don’t feel like they’ve been disappointed or let down if I don’t announce a winner on the dot on the first Tuesday of next month, so please understand I’m not feeling defensive because anything you’ve said has made me feel guilty. I work hard not to let anybody feel like I’ve let them down so please don’t take my comments as something arising out of defensiveness. While I’m not the most organized personality, I don’t think I’ve left anybody hanging or feel disappointed so I have nothing to feel defensive about regarding this subject. But your post most definitely has rubbed me wrong and since I’m pretty much an objective 3rd party, I can’t imagine how it’s going to come off to others who may not be looking at this so objectively.

    While you may not care, again, you’re not doing much good by making people feel insulted. People don’t respond as well to accusations. Calm and thoughtful will get a much better response.

    Basically, these comments are coming from an objective third party here. I’m not a disappointed reader nor am I an author who’s worrying she’s guilty. I’m just somebody that likes to talk. Nor am I trying to pick on you, single you out or anything else.

  55. AvatarAnya Howard
    55

    Hey Shiloh, I know you were addressing Mary, but I may have come across as harsh, too, and for that I apologize. I’m sorry to hear of the difficult medical situation and hope all that is over now. When my father lost his arm a couple of years ago it was a rough time for the family and I was behind on all my writing for some time. Yes, it behooves us all to be understanding of one another and show compassion.

  56. AvatarShiloh Walker
    56

    I’m not trying to sound like a rabid fangirl, b/c I’m definitely not. Hmm. Maybe I should write this to Shiloh. But I know she reads Karen’s blog…

    *G* Rabidly reads.

  57. AvatarShiloh Walker
    57

    Hey Shiloh, I know you were addressing Mary, but I may have come across as harsh, too, and for that I apologize.

    Nah, you didn’t. Don’t worry and don’t feel like you have to apologize.

    Not every delay is going to come from either a medical deal or a major personal deal. I know that and I don’t want people thinking that every slight delay is because of something major. Sometimes things do just get temporarily misplaced in the wrong brain file. It happens to all of us. Working to prevent it from happening is always a good thing.

    But I also think flexibility is a wise way to handle most things in life.(FYI, I consider flexible a few days…not a week or more, other people’s mileage may vary)

    Some things are wrong… killing is wrong, drunk driving is wrong, stealing, etc..etc… some things are right, being nice to kids, puppies and the less fortunate…

    ;-) But many other things in life fall in between. When it comes to those shades of gray, I try to be flexible. But that’s just me.

  58. AvatarShiloh Walker
    58

    Daggone it… didn’t un-italicize…. oops. Oh well. That last part…

    Some things are wrong… killing is wrong, drunk driving is wrong, stealing, etc..etc… some things are right, being nice to kids, puppies and the less fortunate…

    ;-) But many other things in life fall in between. When it comes to those shades of gray, I try to be flexible. But that’s just me.

    shouldn’t be in italics.

  59. AvatarAnne
    59

    Shiloh! I think you’ve become my new hero. Seriously, you say what you mean and you say it well. *applause*

  60. AvatarShiloh Walker
    60

    Shiloh! I think you’ve become my new hero. Seriously, you say what you mean and you say it well. *applause*

    LOL. Shiloh Walker…hero extradorinaire…snicker. Nah, I don’t that works.

    ;)

  61. AvatarShiloh Walker
    61

    extradorinaire…

    extraordinaire, even.

  62. AvatarShiloh Walker
    62

    oh well, misspelled again.I give up. Pray for me guys, I’m going to get my taxes done.

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