Cindy Cruciger And Ann Vremont: Two Crazy-Assed MFs…

Warning, the following post is long and rambling, and somewhat incoherent in places, but long over due, so if you want to avoid drama, you might want to look away now.

I don’t like Cindy Cruciger, and I never have, even during her more sycophantic phase, but I kinda accept that she’s just a foolish, bitter, malicious broad, who can’t see the wood for the trees, and who doesn’t seem to understand what the phrase, ‘get over it’, means.

She constantly bangs on about my evil ways, but what she fails to recognise is that her bestest friend, Ann Vremont, is without doubt, the most vile, and vicious person, most of us Romancelandia folk have ever come across in Blogland (or in real life come to think of it), bar none. That’s some feat, right?

Ann crosses so many lines it’s laughable, (see Revenge Greeting Card on right) and all the while, her best friend, Ferfelabat AKA Cindy Cruciger, cheers on her genius. Cindy thought the picture on the right was hilarious.

The more I look at this card the more I could see myself sending it to any one of several friends who are in fertility treatment hell just to make them laugh. There should be a guy version as well.

Yeah, because that would be so darn hilarious. Even if there was a liklihood that one’s friends would find it amusing, why would you even go there? Surely sending them a teddy bear and chocolates would be more effective?

Anyway, I had a bit of a confrontation with Cindy Cruciger over at Capo’s blog earlier this week. Basically, Cindy had gone onto the Pickled Cupid blog (formerly C’um Hither Global) , and accused them of taking the piss out of her dead father-in-law. In actual fact, they weren’t, and if she could have removed her ‘Karen Scott and everybody who likes, her must die’ head on, she’d have had a clearer picture.

If any of you read C’um Hither Global before Capo, Bailey and Peter closed it down, you’ll know that they basically take Romancelandia news, and poke fun at it. Anyway, Cindy took exception to this post, and said so, in her usual passive aggressive way.

Peter responded to her comment, and then she had this to say:

You are assuming “Karen Scott” is telling the truth. On the few occassions when she has posted supposedly “personal” things about herself, it was to get people who are commenting under their real names or verifiable pseudonyms, to reveal real conditions they have. She then uses it against them later in one of her hit posts.

Does that gal ever think of anything, other than me? I never imagined she was a woman who did drugs, but how else can one explain her wild ramblings? I’m trying to think of the last time, I asked readers to ‘reveal conditions they had’, and then went on to use it against them, and I admit, I keep drawing a blank. Anybody remember such an event? Cinny, help me out here.  Surely, this is the pot calling the kettle black? It begs the question, has Cindy Cruciger ever looked in the mirror, and seen herself, as she really is?

Anyway, she had lots more to say for herself:

The truth is, you have no idea if “Karen Scott” is even a she and you don’t know if “she” really has fertility issues. I think that if she does, it’s reprehensible to use it to lure in victims to use as blog fodder, which is why I wrote that post you so obviously took issue with. I’m sure there’s no need to personalize what you read there.

See what I mean? Wild rantings, with little or no relevance to anything. Yeah, I guesss I could secretly be a man, and yeah, I could have been making up the whole fertility thing, just to garner sympathy, because (run-on sentence ahead) that’s the kind of thing I do all the time. And I guess I could have been trying to get others to admit to their fertility problems, so that I could take piss out of them later. Hmmm… Smokescreen much?

I think Cindy Cruciger knows she did a bad thing, and now she’s trying to justify it. She trawls through my blog often enough to have found my not-so-upbeat posts, back when this blog didn’t have as many visitors as it does now.  She knows she was wrong to take the piss out of my fertility issues, and now she’s trying to pretend that what she said wasn’t one of the most vile things one human can say about another. Like I said to her, what she did was akin to me finding out that her hubby had been giving it to some young, slim, pretty thing (hypothetical you understand), and mocking her on my blog because of it. Any smart person would recognise, that most people at heart are mostly decent, and wouldn’t tolerate such a thing.

She goes on to add:

Most people just want the entertainment and Karen gives it to them one way or another. It’s all good … as long as it’s someone else being roasted.

This is the same person who used to come onto my blog and crow with glee, whenever I took the piss out of anybody. The hypocrisy no longer surprises me.

There’s absolutely no question who your post is about. I am absolutely fair game and you did a pretty decent job. Bringing my kids into it was an especially interesting, character revealing touch. You blog anonymous, so you can say whatever you want with absolutely no personal repercussions so why prevaricate? Have the guts for a full on attack. You will win points with your mentor Karen Scott, and be well on your way to blog stardom.

The mentioning of her kids thing? Here’s what was actually written:

The spokesperson also acknowledged that both women lost several teeth in the course of breaking moonshine bottles against one another’s faces. Ms. Crueger’s son and owner of the trailer is currently attending college in another county and will not be charged in the incident. Freddy Crueger did make a brief statement to reporters, “My mother has always been her own worst nightmare.”

Yeah, I think the pun was obvious to most rational thinking people too. ‘Nuff said.

Blog stardom? Mentor? It’s amazing how she manages to bring everything back to me isn’t it? Does she realise how much I seem to consume her every thought?

I’m sure Capo is a great writer with a magnificent career ahead. Let’s be honest, though. Decent people don’t blog anonymous hit pieces about people they don’t know just for entertainment. You, Me, Karen, Capo, Purr - we are many things. Decent is not one of them.

She’s right, she is many things, but decent certainly isn’t one of them. Vindictive, vengeful, obsessed, jealous, paranoid, and malicious maybe, but decent? Nah. Capo and the guys from the Pickled Cupid blog at least come across as decent people, which is more than I can say for Cindy Cruciger and her best pal Ann ‘I Have A Screw Loose’ Vremont. Hey, even Selah March and Eva Gale comes across as a decent people, regardless of how I personally feel about them.

Cindy’s lucky that I actually am a decent person, because were I not, there are so many places, and so many lines I could cross in the name of one-upmanship. Luckily for her, I have scruples, and a conscience. Damn shame that.

Anyway, I responded to her comments, because gone are the days when I simply yawn and move on. If you want to read my response, you can do so over on Pickled Cupid.

She then had this to say:

Oh Karen. You have no lines or limits. Once you start lying you are at rock bottom and digging.

She would know about the lying thing I guess. She keeps trying to tell everybody who’ll listen that I called Robin Schone a racist. I mean, use your common sense Cinny, if you’re gonna tell big fat porkies, tell ones that nobody can easily disprove. Could she be more stupid?  Erm… apparently.

Here’s the deal. Every other month or two (or until I get bored with it) I am going to spend five minutes scanning your blog, looking for your latest victim of fame-hate and I am going to blog it. It’s just that simple. If you don’t like it, don’t do it to other people. When you stop attacking people for no reason, I will stop criticizing you for attacking people. If you don’t like the criticism, don’t criticize.

She has the gall to still pretend that this is about anything other than her humiliation at my hands last summer. She couldn’t give a flying fuck, about my ‘victims’, she just wants an excuse to obsess about me some more. Sorry Cindy, no matter how much you want me to, I’m not gonna have sex with you, I don’t swing that way. How many times do I have to tell you? Honestly, Sweetie, it’s not you, it’s me.

Re her threats? I say bring it on. I guarantee she’ll get tired of the drama before I do, and this time round, she’s not going to be given the option of an olive branch, when she gets tired of the war.

Other than regret for the damage you do to your targets, I don’t care if you ever stop. I would appreciate it if you would stop playing the victim. It doesn’t suit you and I would hate to think I was actually hurting your ever so delicate feelings.

On the one hand, she says she’ll keep on until I stop, on the other hand, she says she doesn’t care if I never stop? Which is it Cindy? That woman has ‘victim mentality’ written all over her, so she’s one to talk. As I said to her, I’ve simply proved that I’m better at hurting her with her own words, than vice versa.

To the anonymous owners of this blog … if you say you simply used my father-in-laws name to be funny then I will pretend that I believe you. You’ve mentioned losses in your own families and I am sorry for your loss. It’s a little different though when someone deliberately drags up the name of your loved one and uses it the way you have here. That line is ok with you though, I see.

The name that Peter used by the way was Freddy Crueger. Apparently her father-in-law was called Freddy. Yeah, she actually imagines that the Pickled Cupid guys ransacked her blog, found out that her father-in-law was called Freddy, then decided to use him as ammunition, against her. Yeah, right. I suspect that her paranoia was due to the fact that she would have done exactly that herself.

You have learned the “Karen Scott” style book by heart.

a. Anonymous
b. Attack people you don’t know.
c. Don’t bother to fact check the source before lashing out.
d. If you can’t tell the truth, lie like your life depends on it.

I’d say she’s been reading that Karen Scott book from cover to cover. She’s such a tit, she actually thinks that because she’s so passive aggressive, whenever she’s trying to lay into someone, that what she does cannot be counted as all-out attack. Once again, I have to ask the question, does that woman ever look in the mirror, and see herself how she really is?

You are a creative breath of fresh air. As I said before - welcome to the blog wars. Stick with Karen. She will feed you tons of fresh meat.

Too easy, and any comment I would wish to make would be just too unkind.

In my opinion, Cindy Cruciger has issues, and she clearly needs some sort of therapy to help her get over her obsession with me. Her friend, Ann Vremont, on the other hand, is beyond saving. She’s gutter trash, and she has no moral compass whatsoever. That bitch is so contemptible and vile, she makes me look like Mother Teresa in comparison.

In the Mean Girls contest, her and Cindy Cruciger wins hands down every time.

Oh the irony.

If Cindy Cruciger wants a war, I don’t mind obliging her, she just needs to make sure she has the appetite for it, this time round.

It should be another very interesting summer.

159 Comments »

159 piped up to “Cindy Cruciger And Ann Vremont: Two Crazy-Assed MFs…”

  1. AvatarPassed Fed Up
    1

    If I ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER become this obsessed with a person I’d hope my love ones would stage an intervention.

    Wrong is wrong. Simply as that. You cannot equate calling someone a fucktard with making fun of someone’s inability to conceive.

    Let’s be real about this. Is being called a fucktard going to echo throughout your life?

    Let’s think about it. No.

    Is the inability to conceive a child with the person you’ve chosen to spend the rest of your life with going to?

    We don’t even have to think about it. Of course it is. As a woman it has to be fucking gut wrenching not to be able to do the one of the most sacred things women have been blessed with.

    And making fun of that loss (And yes, it’s one hell of a loss) is supposed to be okay?

    Cindy if you read this, ADMITTING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IS THE FIRST STEP. It’s okay for you to CRUCIFY people but Lord forbid if someone else picks up a nail and hammer.

    Get a clue. Get a life and move the fuck on.

    After what you and Ann did, Karen could go out and kill bunnies (And I love bunnies) and you’d STILL be the bigger asshole.

    And hell yes, I’m anonymous because you’re a crazy bitch and I don’t want you on my blog.

  2. AvatarPassed Fed Up
    2

    Taken from Crucify’s latest blog post:

    I should probably give you a heads up (because I’m a nice person that way) that making threats against a family member of a Federal Agent is a felony so if you DO contact me, keep it sort of civil and if you want to make physical threats you’d better follow up quickly, because you won’t have a lot of time to make good on them.

    IF she was actually related to a federal agent she would know this:

    Such violent acts must be done “with the intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with” such Federal official “while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against” such Federal official.

  3. AvatarShiloh Walker
    3

    Since I suspect Cindy is reading this blog… Cindy, laughing at that card, approving of it, thinking it’s cute or appropriate in any way…it ain’t.

    Flat-out, from somebody who had fears of being able to have another child after I miscarried, I can tell you there is no way in hell that card could ever be considered as something ‘acceptable’. Morbid humor can work in some places. Infertility isn’t one of them-at least not for most people.

    Karen, anybody that’s been reading your blog for a while is going to figure out that while you can be blunt & sometimes harsh on your views & reviews, you’re also going to treat people as they treat you. If they show you respect, you show it back. As it should be, because respect is two-way street.

    On the flipside, somebody gives you hell, you give it right back.

    This mean-girl, you-pick-on-authors-so-i’ll-do-it-to-you mess is getting old. Authors should be able to handle themselves. If they are professionals, they WILL handle it. We’re all grown-ups. Unless there’s a kid-wonder genius out there that’s gotten romance books pubbed (and if there is, I don’t wanna know).

    With their ‘mean girl crusade’ going on, they should consider just how much pain they’ve caused for the innocent bystanders with some of the crap they’ve posted/created/laughed about in regards to fertility. Since the basis of the attacks on you are rooted in ‘mean girl bloggers’…well, I’d recommend looking in a mirror, but people see what they want to see.

    But like begets like. All this negativity crap going around…well, if they aren’t already miserably unhappy people, it’s going to come. It will catch up with them.

    If they already are miserable unhappy people ….wellllll…. perhaps they should reevaluate and focus some of this obsessive energy on fixing whatever is wrong in their lives. Wait…unless it’s you, Karen. Are they so focused on you because you’re what’s wrong in their world? Dang…are you that powerful that you can control and ruin the lives of people you’ve never met? On the other side of the world? If so, I’m impressed and suitably terrified. ;)

    Even if Cindy can convince herself that she’s on some ‘righteous’ crusade, you don’t change people by attacking them. It doesn’t work. That’s been proven throughout history time and again.

    I’m out of town for the weekend and hopefully I can resist the urge to keep up with this madness. Hopefully.

    No promises, though.

    *hugs* Karen. This just sucks all around.

  4. AvatarMaryJanice
    4

    Karen, could I trouble you to send me your private e-mail address when you have a moment? Mine’s maryjanice@comcast.net. Thanks very much! :-)

  5. AvatarNora Roberts
    5

    At this point–and probably for quite some time–CC doesn’t have many who buy into her ‘they’re mean girls and I’m standing up for the victim’ blather. She’s stepped in it too often, and notoriously stepped over the line of truly ugly.

    There’s a difference between a crusader and a woman on a vendetta.

    Clearly she hates Karen, the SBs, Jane at DA, and reviles anyone who comments on those blogs. That’s a lot of hating and reviling.

    The ‘blog-star’ comment’s telling, I think. Karen’s blog–as do the others above–generate a solid following. CC’s not so much but the same handful.

    It must be galling.

  6. AvatarMichelle
    6

    I have said it before and I will say it again. CC is not mentally well. Besides just being pathetic she sounds delusional. Just please be careful because her obsession with you has gotten so out of hand she sounds dangerous. I am so sorry you have to deal with this crap.

  7. AvatarShandy Moore
    7

    CC and Ann Cremont have to be two of the biggest bitches in the world. And bitch meaning in a cunt way.

    I think that these two women are sad, depressed, and hopeless, and want to portray to the online world, that they are happy and enjoying their lives.

    It’s hard for me to believe that two women with such black hearts could ever be happy. There vile words makes me want to bitch slap the both of them.

    I had problems giving birth to my son- bled alot. Could have died. Thank god, we both came out of it okay. Having problems with fertility or any other problems isn’t something to make fun of.

    You ladies both have families, and for that you ALONE should respect other people. Samhain and EC should drop Ann Cremont-for being a cunt alone.

    And CC-well her family should have her committed, after she dyes that horrible bleach job on her head.

  8. AvatarShayne
    8

    Damn internetz. Such serious business. I call cat macro time.

    I don’t think ‘author being mean’ is a good legal reason for a publisher to ditch an author. That would really look interesting, idiotic could be the term, on court papers.

  9. AvatarSybil
    9

    I don’t have time to read all this right now but the Robin Schone thing… is she getting you mixed up with with she who I will not name or is there something else?

    Sorry hon, the whole thing is just odd. People have repeatedly told me she is really very nice and ’sweet’ in person and they just try to ignore her ‘online persona’. I don’t understand that at all.

    You own your words be it online, in print or in person.

    Whatevs.. on another note why did ‘Cum Hither Global close in the first place?

  10. AvatarRoslyn Holcomb
    10

    That card is one of the most godawful things I’ve ever seen. I know that people often don’t know what to say when someone has fertility issues, but I don’t believe for one moment that card was designed to lift anyone’s spirits. It’s vicious and malicious and is intended to wound.

    There’s something seriously wrong with anyone who would send it.

  11. AvatarNathalie Gray
    11

    That card is vulgar and revolting.

  12. AvatarShandy Moore
    12

    I don’t think ‘author being mean’ is a good legal reason for a publisher to ditch an author. That would really look interesting, idiotic could be the term, on court papers.

    Yes. I knew that when I said Ann Cremont should be dumped. But that was me being wishful and imagining it happening in another world.

  13. AvatarMillie
    13

    Cruciger and Vremont went after Karen, Gennita, Shayne and now Capo (Twin tower references really? THAT huge a crime in your eyes, Ann?). And now Cindy is saying she’s a Federal Agent? What has she been doing, keeping the online community safe from the Vermont Terror?

  14. AvatarTuscan Capo
    14

    I can’t imagine the pain Karen knows by having her personal problems broadcast in such a vicious way. There is no excuse for it, there never will be. But whatever infamy the artist and her friend have gained, they were not the inspiration for my post. If they are as intelligent as they are vengeful then they understand that our primary interest at Pickled Cupid is to spoof the general industry. And if it hasn’t dawned on them already, they should take a look beyond the dark curtains of their self-absorption and realize that the Romance industry offers plenty to spoof about. I didn’t choose C. Cruciger to pick on, and I sure as hell didn’t know anything about her family. She opted to put her son’s name out there in her comment - and that of her FIL- and if these names aren’t bogus, then sorry, that was the totally irresponsible choice she made.

    Karen, I don’t understand why these women have obsessed on you. What is apparent is they’d rather waste hours of their days striking out at their perceived enemies than do anything constructive. I fully believe that as entertaining as they find this activity now, the inevitable day will come when the cruelty and racist slings are going to bite them in the ass.

    Cheers, my friend.

  15. AvatarTuscan Capo
    15

    Millie,
    I believe they targeted that to mock because my wife and my friend, Dick, stuck up for me after Cruciger’s accusation I’m not a decent person. I used to be a police officer and as luck had it I was in the vicinity the day of 9-11. Just as many did for their fellow man, I offered help where and how I could that day. I’m no hero; but when your neighbors need help you do what you can. (In fact, that’s how I first met Peter) Anyway, that’s where the twin towers reference came from.

  16. AvatarMillie
    16

    The scary thing is, in her latest post (in between her hurricane camouflage) has her lamenting that she really, really, really, really WANT TO help us see the truth (hers) and we are blind followers because we can’t see the truth (except she and her friends there) and “can’t snark our way out of a paperbag” (why would I want to sound like her or her friends?).

    Capo, now that I know your background, that “thing” Ann Vermont draw is even more irreprensible. They’re right now even making fun of your name as being some Mafia guy on her blog. Hopefully, they will cool off after they find another target. To them it’s all about teaching people to understand that they aren’t the Mean Ones. Chin up, Capo and the others. They will reach that stage where they will “give up” because woe, the world is against good folks like them, and one day, bad things will happen to their enemies and then they can all celebrate. They do look forward to such nice things.

  17. AvatarBonnie L.
    17

    The funny thing is that I didn’t know a thing about your fertility issues until they brought it up. I’ve been reading your blog on a regular basis since I discovered DA, SBs and you a couple of years ago. From what I understand, in order to discover this information out, you would actually have to wade through years worth of posts all the way back to the beginning. Who has the time or inclination to do that? (I care more about what you have to say now than what you might have said years ago)

  18. AvatarTuscan Capo
    18

    My Dad gave me that nickname, Millie. There were already six daughters when I was born and Dad said I’d have to be a tough little Capo to survive a house full of women. As I really dislike my first name my friends still call me that. In retrospect, my sisters were all fantastic to me. I was nearly smothered with affection, even if I did have to attend more “tea parties” than most boys LOL

  19. AvatarNora Roberts
    19

    Finding humor in infertility and now in 9-11?

    If this is how CC&Co get their kicks, I’m very happy CC was unable to ‘help’ me see the truth, if that’s indeed her current spin.

  20. AvatarBernita
    20

    Karen, you have my sympathy.
    This is just ugly pathological spite.

  21. AvatarGhetto Diva
    21

    This from CC’s horrid blog:

    If you want to “get ghetto” on me, I am IN the book and easy to find. Knock yourselves out. I should probably give you a heads up (because I’m a nice person that way) that making threats against a family member of a Federal Agent is a felony so if you DO contact me, keep it sort of civil and if you want to make physical threats you’d better follow up quickly, because you won’t have a lot of time to make good on them.

    oh Puleeze- Let me school you on something. Getting ghetto on you CC, if done appropriately would make it very difficult for the “Federal Agents” to find. And that’s if any “Federal Agent” would waste time on an idiot like you who deserves to get bitched slapped.

    And to Ann Cremont the sick ass who writes;

    I’ll still be here putting the FUN in DYSFUNCTIONAL

    Crawl back to the hole you came from.

  22. AvatarRowena
    22

    I like a good laugh just like the next person but I fail to see how joking about anyone not being able to conceive a child with their loved one as funny.

    ..and I most definitely am not saying this because you’ve got me brainwashed or anything, Karen.

  23. AvatarDorothy Mantooth
    23

    ..and I most definitely am not saying this because you’ve got me brainwashed or anything, Karen.

    I love Karen.
    She is much better than Cats.
    I’m going to read her again and again…

    (Or am I the only one who remembers that?)

    Seriously, this is just not funny anymore, it’s pathological. And the cards and cartoons are disgusting.

  24. AvatarDee Tenorio
    24

    Karen, you know I loves ya. And God knows, I don’t have the fortitude to deal with The C&A Bullshit Factory, but I do worry what engaging her will do to you.

    Awful people stain the people around them with their vileness and it seeps into your real life. You’re a funny person. You have many many things to enjoy and laugh about. You’re strong in the face of some trying emotional trials and you have someone with you who supports you and loves you and shares those trials with you. You make other people laugh by sharing your viewpoints. That’s why I come here most every day. Because I enjoy you and your confidence and your expressive ways.

    Don’t let Cindy take that from you by giving her one ounce of your time or energy. Be angry, sure. Bad things really should happen to people like that and maybe they will. But slough it off because the truth is she’s a big black hole. You’re not going to fill her up to shut her up. Nothing will. And feeding her will just take the goodness out of you.

    All the best.
    Dee

  25. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
    25

    I feel like I stepped back into 7th grade. The postcard is hurtful and juvenile - and those are the nicest things I can say about it and the person who sent it. Twelve years as a divorce lawyer I’ve seen some nasty things. That’s nasty. I find it hard to believe the sender can’t see that or in any way thinks she can justify it.

    Karen, I’m sorry. Really. There’s just no excuse for this. As for going to war, don’t bother. It will suck the life out of you. It’s not worth it.

  26. AvatarJulie Leto
    26

    Karen, I agree with HelenKay. You’ve already won this war. I would run screaming in the other direction if approached by either of these two, but you, I’d buy a beer.

    That whole “I’m protecting other authors” thing just bugs me to no end. Guess what? I’m a BIG girl. If Karen ever decides to call me a fucktard or tell me my books suck donkey bollocks, I can take care of myself.

  27. AvatarEva Gale
    27

    I was very serious about calling her husband.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/1st/951843.html

    See that down there-David Cruciger? That’s Cindy’s husband. He’s the highest decorated Federal Agent. For real. No lying. Cindy is her real name. With a husband who is REQUIRED to wear gun at all times, even standing next to the President, do you really think she needs to lie about her name?

  28. AvatarKaren Scott
    28
    Author Comment

    Eva, you should call him. I mean that, PLEASE call him.

  29. AvatarJane
    29

    Dude. I didn’t know being the wife of a “federal agent” gave me immunity from a) legal liability and b) being an asshole. I totally missed that section. Robin, you come across that in your studies?

    And HelenKay, I think that saying its so 7th grade is an insult to 7th graders. Surely, the “If you keep being mean to me, I’m going to tell my daddy and his boss will kick your ass” taunt is one that only the five and under set give now a days, right?

  30. AvatarGhetto Diva
    30

    See that down there-David Cruciger? That’s Cindy’s husband. He’s the highest decorated Federal Agent. For real. No lying. Cindy is her real name. With a husband who is REQUIRED to wear gun at all times, even standing next to the President, do you really think she needs to lie about her name?

    Call him! Maybe you can explain to him what a pure grade A Asshole Cindy Cruciger is. Maybe you can also explain to him how she spends her time online, insulting other people, and how much of an evil bitch she truly is. Hey-also throw Ann Vremont’s name in there. Perhaps, he knows her as well.

  31. AvatarEva Gale
    31

    No, it’s not Cindy saying it. She’s blowing it all off. She thinks you’re all funny as hell and mostly sad. But here’s the thing, she was physically threatened. Now she may not think anything of that, but I do, and although I know she’s blowing it off, I’m betting her husband won’t. Especially since Ghetto Diva mentioned RT, and Dave knows she goes every year.

    Jane, with all of your brilliant skills of deduction I would think you would actually take the few minutes it might take to find him. He’s been written about, and knowing all you do about research it should be pretty easy for you.

  32. AvatarJane
    32

    Eva, Why should I find him? Why do you think I care about David Cruciger? Let me quote the should be immortal line of Positive K “What’s your Man go to do with me?”

  33. AvatarGhetto Diva
    33

    No, it’s not Cindy saying it. She’s blowing it all off. She thinks you’re all funny as hell and mostly sad. But here’s the thing, she was physically threatened. Now she may not think anything of that, but I do, and although I know she’s blowing it off, I’m betting her husband won’t. Especially since Ghetto Diva mentioned RT, and Dave knows she goes every year.

    Oh please! Blow it out your ass Eva. No one spoke about dragging her away and doing harm to her. Yes! She deserves to be bitch slapped for her words. But one smack isn’t exactly “a planned threat”. Would it make you feel better if I just threw an apple at her head from across the room and dived under the table for cover?

  34. AvatarThrowmearope
    34

    Gee, my hubby is a veterinarian. Maybe he could sic a cyber dog on CC and AV.

    I would love to see his face if somebody interrupted him at work to tell him I’m a big meanie on the internet.

  35. AvatarShayne
    35

    Eva,

    Jesus H. Christ, that man has a very serious job, and all of you are dragging him into an internet flame war? There are no words. For real. No lying.

  36. AvatarAztecLady
    36

    I probably should die from fright before posting this but… ah well.

    Translating Eva Gale’s comments, this is what I get: “You all are being being mean to the wife of a man who carries a gun. I’m gonna tell him. He’s not going to like it. You should be afraid. Very afraid.”

    Me: huh?

  37. AvatarKaren Scott
    37
    Author Comment

    I just posted another example of Ann Vremont’s artwork. I think she did this one last summer if I’m not mistaken. The captions are…interesting. Click on picture for bigger image.

  38. AvatarHolly
    38

    There just really are no words. I mean, I’ve kind of rolled my eyes over the whole KS/CC thing the last year or so (I still have absolutely NO idea where it all started) but that “card” is just..beyond the beyond in wrong. There are certain places you just don’t go, and that’s one of them.

    As for the “He carries a big gun, watch out now” card..well, ok. I bet he’s not the only guy in the world who carries a gun. And if, as a decorated Federal Agent (if he really is), he’s seriously using it to threaten people from the interwebs whom his wife engages in flame wars…well, I’m thinking that isn’t the type of protection I want from my federal government.

    Just a thought.

  39. AvatarShayne
    39

    Holly,

    Just on a sane note, I truly doubt it would be him. Threatening people over a internet flame war with one’s wife would get anybody fired. No matter the job.

    One gets from Eva’s post–Cindy is ignoring, Eva is bringing up with the hubby with a gun. OH NOES.

  40. AvatarCindy Cruciger
    40

    Ghetto Diva - That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed. The first one was too vague. Thank you for clarifying. That heads up was a sincere courtesy. I don’t know you and I wish you no ill, but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent. For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow. When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review. I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Jane - It’s not a liability issue. That’s just a silly thing to say. You are smarter than that. The smell of blood has made you high. But don’t let that stop you from becoming an instant authority on everything they teach at Glenco and Quantico. Not knowing what you are talking about hasn’t ever stopped you in the past. There aren’t many people around who would know you were wrong and you are safe with me.

    On the card thing - For reasons that are absolutely none of anyone’s business, I should not have been able to have children and it was not easy. That card, in those dark days would have cracked me the hell up - especially from Ann. That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later.

    Your opinions are exactly THAT. You are not the gods of what is funny. You don’t own it. From my perspective, none of you (with the exception of MJD & Eva - neither of whom should be here) has a sense of humor.

    Shayne - You are an idiot. Dave would absolutely want to know what is going on here, but for reasons that are ALSO none of your business, I will just let the geeks in DC do their thing and decide what they want to do with the threats.

    Even though everything there is to know about me is available via google, none of you knows anything at all about me because you use Karen Scott as your source of information. She has no name. You know nothing about her. And yet, you believe everything she says. That’s your perogative, of course, but some of you - the lucid ones possibly - might want to fact check her every once in awhile.

    Now. Obviously you will all say whatever it amuses you to say, but I am sincere when I say, that I am done. I raised the white flag. You are too crazy, even for me - and that is no small achievement on your part. Twist that however you like.

  41. AvatarCJ England
    41

    Karen, you have my sympathies. That card is beyond belief and I can’t imagine how anyone could think it funny.

  42. AvatarShayne
    42

    Too easy, not worth it.

  43. AvatarGhetto Diva
    43

    Ghetto Diva - That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed. The first one was too vague. Thank you for clarifying. That heads up was a sincere courtesy. I don’t know you and I wish you no ill, but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent. For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow. When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review. I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Oh blow it out your ass to Cindy. If throwing an apple at your head is an offense, I’ll be the first to turn myself in.

  44. AvatarBernita
    44

    Excuse me, but there’s real war going on out there, with real bombs and bullets and IED’s, and there are real terrorists and assassins, so I am bemused by the omnious idea that the government will seriously investigate “the direct threat” of… an apple.

  45. AvatarEmma Petersen
    45

    Le sigh. Now we’re getting husbands and the government involved?

    Like Bernita said, THERE IS A REAL WAR going on and the US government is going to use its much needed resources because Mrs. Cruciger feels threatened AFTER initiating the incident to begin with?

    Shame on you. As a woman whose husband is a government official in these incredible tense times you should know better. Doesn’t your husband have enough stress to deal with without having to fight your juvenile battles?

  46. AvatarNora Roberts
    46

    ~That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later. ~

    And you know she’s lying because you, what . . . have access to her medical files? You KNOW she’s lying, AND you know her motivations for doing so because you’re psychic?

    The cards and the gleeful comments regarding them were, to most people, a very nasty business. Maybe having some poster comment that you need a bitch-slap, or how about an apple tossed at you is a serious physical threat to you. Maybe it sincerely is. But it’s really tough to get that when making fun of a woman’s infertility, and snarking on 9-11 are a big, funny joke in your world.

    I know women who’ve been unable to conceive, or who have suffered miscarriages. I know none, absolutely none, who would have gotten a laugh if sent that card. None.

    I know people who were involved in 9-11, who were right there in the nightmare of it. None of them–none–would be amused by the card relating to it.

    It appears your sense of humor and injustice is much different from the majority of the posters here.

  47. AvatarJane
    47

    So wait, Karen’s blogging about her health is an evil tool to get people to reveal information that she then uses later against them? And the DC peeps are combing your site to ensure that threats of apple throwing and bitch slapping are investigated thoroughly? I mean, I knew that there was a lot of incompetence in the current administration but I never thought that it was carried out to this level.

  48. AvatarNora Roberts
    48

    Jesus Christ, AV is severely fucked-up. Just no other way to describe someone who’d spend time putting that kind of ‘art’ together.

  49. AvatarShayne
    49

    Anyway, I responded to her comments, because gone are the days when I simply yawn and move on. If you want to read my response, you can do so over on Pickled Cupid.

    Karen, honestly you might want to rethink that. All I’m getting here is somebody saying the most outrageous, stupid thing they can to get a reaction. Just to see who is idiot enough to react. She’s not even serious. Taking her seriously makes everybody look ridiculous.
    *shrugs*

    I know it’s your blog, but like I said. Too easy, not worth it. That’s about all I’m gonna comment.

  50. AvatarNora Roberts
    50

    Yes, please ban all apple throwing immediately, and any suggestion of bitch-slapping should bring down of rain of Feds. Let’s all go chuckle at the devestation of 9-11, and make sport of those who died there or risked their lives to save others.

    And while we’re at it, let’s have a good belly-laugh over the amusing subject of infertility.

  51. AvatarNora Roberts
    51

    ~All I’m getting here is somebody saying the most outrageous, stupid thing they can to get a reaction.~

    Honestly, I get where you’re coming from. But that’s Logical World. I don’t think that’s it in this case.

  52. AvatarMacbeth
    52

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall when the feds search this blog, and find that the wife of one of their most decorated men has been acting like an asshole on the net. I can practically hear the sniggers in the locker rooms now. Somebody should send the link to one of the major dailies. The headline would read something like, WIFE OF BUSH PROTECTOR LINKED WITH CYBER TERRORISM or even better, WIFE OF BUSH PROTECTOR LAUGHS AT VICTIMS OF 9/11.

  53. AvatarSybil
    53

    I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Ok I have been on the internet waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too long and see too many fandom flamewars and I have to say THAT is the bestest evah.

    If you are really married to someone who has people from his place of employment watching the shit you do I would say I feel really sorry for him. But hell he married you, LOL guy has to be the office joke. If there is a guy. If he is really a fed and all that.

  54. AvatarShayne
    54

    Well, Nora, getting people to actually comment because she says a federal agent is interested in this and the govt too? How many people really do live that far in la la land? Not as many as like to pretend to.

    That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed.

    How many would seriously claim (with a straight face) a threat to bitch slap or throw an apple qualifies as a serious direct threat?

    Convincing people she really means that, and getting them to comment on it, is a mean feat if you ask me. *L*

    Might just be me though.

  55. AvatarNora Roberts
    55

    ~How many people really do live that far in la la land~

    No, indeed, not too many. Fortunately.

    I absolutely agree with you on the principle. I just honestly believe this particular person–and those who support her/egg her on–are the exception.

    She is PISSED, so the bitch-slap/apple toss is much more a deal to her than the viciousness of ugly-minded poser art.

    In 99 out of 100 cases I’d say, yes, she’s just winding Karen and the rest of us up. But I believe she’s very serious.

  56. AvatarGhetto Diva
    56

    She is PISSED, so the bitch-slap/apple toss is much more a deal to her than the viciousness of ugly-minded poser art.

    Exactly. My intention from the get go. And being within miles from 9/11 when it happened, my comment was intended to hit bullseye. And it did.

    I can now sleep tonight. LOL :-)

  57. AvatarShayne
    57

    I’ll leave better minds than mine to it. Have fun all.

  58. AvatarJenns
    58

    Personally I think they’re enjoying the attention too much.
    I really don’t think they’re worth the time or effort, but I am sorry that you’ve had to put up with so much sick garbage from them, Karen.
    People like that are truly their own worst enemies.

  59. AvatarAnon
    59

    Perhaps CC should get down from her demented high horse long enough to think about these petty threats of hers and making them, oh, slightly more believable.

    I’d imagine the US government would more take exception to her befriending a person that laughs about terrorism and ridicules one of the largest American tragedies of the last 50 years than to someone talking about throwing apples.

    Furthermore, the so-called “threats” against family members of Federal Agents must, as someone already pointed out, be designed ““with the intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with” such Federal official “while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against” such Federal official.”

    Justified anger at the woman being an asshole doesn’t qualify.

  60. AvatarTuscan Capo
    60

    From Mrs. Cruciger’s site:
    Tate: “Capo is an Italian captain in the mob”
    .
    Me: Seriously? They are pretending to be mafia? *shaking head* What kind of idiot goes online and pretends to be a captain of the cosa nostra? “

    Only an idiot would, Mrs. C. I never did. Arrested a few lowlifes in that “business”, but never once claimed to be in it. I have absolutely no interest in anything that vile. If you quoted as well as you trawl maybe people wouldn’t find you so laughable. To reiterate, my father gave me the nickname as a child. Dick and I served in the military together and that’s all he meant by “the call”. For the love of god, stop twisting eels out of rope.

  61. Avatarvanessa jaye
    61

    That artwork is beyond vile.

    I’m with Dee here, ignoring her/them might not have worked as well as you would of liked, but engaging her promises to be a downward spiral of ugliness.

  62. AvatarJenn
    62

    I am away for awhile and all hell breaks loose. Karen you do not have to defend yourself or anything else to someone who obviously has mental problems and other issues.

    So how are you?

  63. Avatarlinda
    63

    that artwork, words fail. As a woman who tried all the fertility clinic heartbreak, it insults and hurts so many people AV. It shows you as a complete cunt. CC, I throw a kilo of cyber apples at your fucked up head. Does your husband ever take you out in public, let alone any work events? You must be the biggest liabilty to his career and if others in his department are tracking this, he is a laughing stock at work. You must be so goddamned proud.
    Karen, go for it, express all your rage and disbelief. After all this is YOUR blog. Why am I so angry at the absolute cuntery of cc and av? I can’t even imagine how you feel.

  64. AvatarRoslyn Holcomb
    64

    Several years ago when I lost my first baby somebody sent me ‘art’ of dead fetuses. This was a truly deranged individual who stalked me for several years. I honestly didn’t think I’d ever encounter anyone so clearly insane again. I made every effort to distance myself from the type sites where I first encountered him. It never occurred to me that I’d see equal fucknuttery on a romance blog.

  65. Avatarsallahdog
    65

    ok… I admit it, I tend to find these kerfluffles amusing… but dudes… involving husbands? I can just imagine telling my husband about someone calling me a shit on the internet and saying I needed a bitchslapping (which I would probably have deserved a time or two)…He would look at me and ask me if this was a menopause thing kicking in and if there were others hopping on the delusion train…

    Come on folks.No need to bring in the husbands, they already think we are wacky for giving a shite about what someone across the country who has never seen us face to face thinks about us…

    And playing the “OOHHH I am a victim and so now I am going to slam the crap out of you by drawing stupid pictures?…. kinda lame… whats next, prank phone calls and tying her gym clothes in knots? Ben gay in her underwear?

    Please.. fight with a little more skill.

  66. AvatarMonica
    66

    The attacks to someone’s vulnerability over something they can’t control are foul. And for what? I don’t get it.

    I cannot see any what anybody could possibly gain out of such meanness.

  67. AvatarGrrrly
    67

    An economy swiftly going down the crapper, gas and food prices on the rise, along with unemployment, thousands losing their homes to foreclosure, an unpopular war with no end in sight, 16% and growing of americans without adequate health care, the worst national image in, well, just about ever.

    Yeah, I can see how David Cruciger’s Pookie Bear getting her ass handed to her on teh interwebs would rank right up there on the go’ment’s list of current crises.

    Honestly, how do people live with this kind of daily bile without choking on it? And does wishing they literally would count as a threat? Wouldn’t want to get myself in trouble with all the feebs monitoring Karen’s blog. *insert eyeroll*

  68. AvatarMaria
    68

    So I’m a long time lurker of this blog. I absolutely love the snark and book reviews. Not even the few negative posts on my e-publisher bother me too much. I’m open-minded enough to see both sides–and sometimes Karen’s is right. I totally agreed with Karen during the kerfuffle with a certain author with my pub who refused to quit harping on another author and her use of a pseudonym….

    Other than the Smart Bitches, this is one of the few blogs I can count on for a good laugh. These days I need all the laughs I can get. I’m 24 and my ovaries are not only failing, they’re also covered in cysts. I’m married to the love of my life, and my body is crappin’ out on me. So you can imagine how I felt when I clicked on yesterday morning and read that horrid “ovary bunny” card. How anyone could think that’s funny is beyond me. It stuck with me all day. It’s sick and wrong and so unbelievably painful. My deepest sympathies to you, Karen, for having to read that absolute crap.

    As to the matter of involving one’s husband in such petty nonsense, well, that’s CC’s marriage, her business. I can’t imagine he’ll be happy to have been dragged into this. How embarassing!

  69. AvatarMisty G
    69

    PCOS sucks. It’s not funny, even coming from a close friend. Ever. And if that “friend” thought a photo like the Bunny photo would make me laugh, I’d have to say that the “friend” didn’t know me very well.

    It’s sort of like when a “friend” tries to make you feel better by saying, “Oh you’re lucky you don’t have kids because they’re a bunch of trouble anyway.” Cuz you know, that’s going to make me feel like I got off easy in life for not being able to ovulate. I doubt any good parent would wish away a moment of their child’s life just to have an easier one for themselves.

    I don’t feel sorry for Karen, I don’t feel sorry for myself, or anyone else with the same or similar problem. I do get offended when I see that particular subject made light of by people who find excuses to be morally bankrupt. Cruciger and her friends can try the “Oh, but we get offended when Karen picks on authors so it’s the same thing” excuse, but it’s not. It never will be.

    If you are going to whine about someone giving authors a hard time, stick to the topic. Keep the husband, baby, lack of baby, parents, military history, eating habits, etc.. out of it.

    The truth is, they couldn’t argue their points with rational humor, so they have to resort to being irrational. It’s the only way they can keep the attention on themselves.

  70. AvatarKaren Scott
    70
    Author Comment

    You truly can’t help yourself can you Cindy Cruciger?

    I don’t know you and I wish you no ill,

    Liar.

    but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent.

    Should family members of a federal agent be telling everybody that they are family members of a federal agent?

    Because let’s face it Cindy Cruciger, nobody here probably knew, and more to the point, they probably didn’t care.

    Being the wife of a federal agent, surely you should be more circumspect, for the sake of your husband if nothing else anyway?

    For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow.

    Oh Lord, for shame. You mean those guys have seen, firsthand, what an arsehole you are? I wouldn’t be bragging about that if I were you.

    I’d suggest that they would be more concerned with your highly toxic pal, ‘Ann Vremont’, than anybody on here. I hear she has a slightly shady history herself.

    When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review.

    They may have told you that it was for your own protection, but I bet it’s because they want to make sure the wife of one of their own, doesn’t go batshit crazy. Talk about stable door and horse huh? You are already crazy, and if the feds are truly crawling all over your blog, I’m betting that they know it already, and are laughing their tits off at your antics. Your poor hubby.

    I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    And I recommend you go and try to find your marbles, seeing as you’ve clearly lost them. But we can’t have everything in life can we?

    You’re such a hypocritical bitch Cindy Cruciger, you started this, and now you’re crying ‘woe is me, they’re out to get me’ all over your blog. I’m happy to ignore you forever, but I can’t as long as you’re mentioning my name every two minutes. Stick to your part of the blogosphere, and I’ll stick to mine. If you don’t, then I wont. It truly is as simple as that.

    The smell of blood has made you high.

    And the smell of your own shit has made you delusional.

    Not knowing what you are talking about hasn’t ever stopped you in the past.

    Nor you, apparently, because you’re constantly talking out of your arse.

    For reasons that are absolutely none of anyone’s business, I should not have been able to have children and it was not easy…

    That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later.

    Do you see the irony in those two statements Cindy Cruciger? Probably not, seeing as you seem to lack basic comprehension skills.

    Your opinions are exactly THAT. You are not the gods of what is funny

    Oh I’m sorry, did you think this was supposed to be funny? How dumb are you, anyway?

    You are too crazy, even for me

    Nice twist, Bitch Interrupted. Your obsessions drove you to where you are today, and the blog readers on here are the crazy ones? You’ve been hanging out with that vile dickhead, Ann Vremont for too long. Her brand of craziness was bound to rub off on you sooner or later. Although, admittedly, you only needed a slight prod to fall into the loony water.

    You should do yourself a favour, and fuck off from my blog. Focus your energies on the things that really matter, and stop trying to wage wars you have no hope of winning, yes?

    There’s a good Mean Girl.

  71. AvatarMisty G
    71

    I’m a little confused. I ran across this post from your archive in 2006 from Cruciger…
    “My husband was running ambulance duty (volunteer work in real life he’s a pilot) in Homestead just south of downtown Miami. They were taking a patient from his house to the ambulance when shots were fired. Kids were playing outside. Their grand mother opened her front door across the street and from behind the door she yelled to the kids.”

    He seems like quite the multitasker.

  72. AvatarMichelle Marquis
    72

    CC says you won Karen!!!

    http://www.ferfelabat.com/?p=1004#more-1004

    But something still puzzles me…if her husband has such
    a great Federal job, why does Cindy live in a trailer park? Hmmm.

  73. AvatarBernita
    73

    Seems she is now calling the bitch-slap apple-tossing “a murder threat.”
    Oh Christ.

  74. AvatarGennita Low
    74

    “Bitch Interrupted.”

    :::Gennita stands up and applaud:::

    Thank you, Karen. And oh, that’s the title of my next book. Bitch Interrupted.

  75. AvatarGennita Low
    75

    Edit previous post: :::applaudS:::

  76. AvatarNora Roberts
    76

    ~Seems she is now calling the bitch-slap apple-tossing “a murder threat.”~

    Must be a really big apple.

    I have no interest in what CC’s husband does for a living. But the whole threat against fed agent’s family’s a federal crime seems off. I just get this picture of a couple of women getting into it in the Produce Department, one of whom happens to be married to a fed. Granny Smiths and Winesaps fly with fruity abandon, bananas sail like yellow boomerangs, mangos smash in tropical splendor.

    All I see is a really messy fruit salad, not a raid of federal agents dragging off a fellow fed’s spouse’s produce-flinging opponent.

  77. AvatarKeishon
    77

    Hey Karen, I know you can handle your own but I can’t help but say that ignoring CC would do the blog world a much better service than engagement.

    I like reading your blog and I think it’s entertaining and informative without the CC stuff, so I ask: can you just ignore her? I think that would hurt her more since no one will be giving her the attention she is seeking and/or needing.

    But you know, it’s your blog [g] as the title says.

  78. AvatarJane
    78

    So if I can parse out what is going on here, it seems to me that Cruciger is saying the following:

    1) Karen reveals painful personal information on her blog from time to time in an effort to lure people in to sharing information that is later used against them or that turns them into asshats. (not sure which one)

    2) Capo doing a satire piece about e-authors turns into a mob threat against Ferfe because of the name “Capo”.

    3) Threatening to bitch slap someone or throw apples at their heads is tantamount to a murder threat.

    4) Disregarding the actual law, any threats against a federal agent’s wife is considered a federal offense.

    5) Because of the highly sensitive nature of Cindy’s husband’s job, the federal government has a staff of people who regularly follow her around the internet making sure that no 3 and no 4 of the above list are followed up on.

  79. AvatarGrrrly
    79

    But Nora, have you ever gotten mango juice in your eye? That shit burns. Threat of fruit throwing should absolutely be treated with all the seriousness such a thing demands.

  80. AvatarAnon
    80

    For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow.

    Depending on you or your spouses’ security clearance and what branch you work for your internet activity is monitored. Certain sites and certain googled words can cause triggers. Maybe that’s what you mean, Cindy?

    I come from a family full of military, government, and law men. Growing up we were taught never to discuss what our fathers, uncles, etc did for a living. All of my uncles are now retired but I would never put any of them in danger by bandying their names about on the internet in an attempt to make someone “stand down”.

    Such violent acts must be done “with the intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with” such Federal official “while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against” such Federal official.

    This law is on the books for a reason. Because the “bad guys” do target law officials’ families. So I can only ask you Cindy why you’d come on the internet and broadcast to the internet at large not only your husband’s security clearance but his location as well?

  81. AvatarMari
    81

    My husband and I tried for 7 years to have kids. It was only on our last round of injections and Art. Insemination that it happened. (We were set to consider IVF if this didn’t succeed.) Yes, it happened, but I remember the years of pain, heartache and depression. There were days I couldn’t get up to go to work. I even left my husband for a week, thinking he’d be better off without me because I couldn’t do what every other woman seemed to be able to do. It is not something to be joked about. It hurts. It is considered a “Life Crisis”.

    Hugs Karen. If you ever want to email me to ask about the whole fertility treatment thing with PCOS, please don’t hesitate.

    As for the art….I am stunned and shocked. It is horrible.

    And Gennita, I am about to read your book you gave me at RT. We were in Club RT and you gave me your last copy. Thank you.

    And for the Capo picture…I like the guys at Pickled Cupid (aka Cum Hither) I don’t think they deserved such a terrible picture with a clown and twin towers. That is just poor taste.

    I haven’t commented publically on any of this prior to now. I am not a Karen minion or anything. But I do like to come here and read the latest scandals. I particularly enjoyed the Patti R. thing.

  82. AvatarSara Reinke
    82

    If failing to find the humor in that sick, cruel “greeting card” or the distasteful cariacature of Capo makes me “brain-washed” by Karen in the warped perspective of people like CC and AV, then hey, I’m gladly so.

    (And it would also explain the “Karen Knows Best” tattoo…) ;)

  83. AvatarMillie
    83

    Insane, is she not? She thinks an apple being thrown at her is a death threat. She thinks that makes all of us soulless for thinking she is a cruel, crazy woman:

    FerfeLaBat Jun 7
    Sallahdog. I’ve seen what you said elsewhere.

    While it is true Dave does not care about what I do online in general. He does care if someone threatens to kill me and names the place and the week. The fact that it doesn’t bother you at all that someone seems to feel this blog war is literally “to the death” - meaning mine - however remote the posibility, ends our discussions for me. Every person over on that thread contributing to the badness has lost whatever scintilla of human reason they may have possessed. Nothing about this online debate rises to the level where threats of murder is justified. You (and they) can obfuscate the issue by shifting the focus on whether or not I should bring my husband into this. But on this occassion, he needs a heads up. This may be the first time for me for an online threat, but it’s not the first threat or follow through attempt ever.

    If I don’t have it on record now, should anything happen later, I may not be here to say, “Hey! Awhile back someone SAID they were going to kill me at the Romantic Times Convention in Orlando. I wonder if this was her?” I don’t look at these kinds of things - probably - the same way most people would BECAUSE of what Dave does for a living and past events in our lives. I usually don’t bother explaining myself to anyone in these matters but in this one instance I want to make it clear WHY I am dealing with it in this fashion.

    Discussing threats with my husband is MY judgement call and not yours or anyone elses.

    It’s not open for debate.

    Please don’t come back to this blog. I will delete your comments if you do.

    FerfeLaBat Jun 7
    Let me make this issue crystal clear for anyone who does not understand it.

    It’s not a game anymore. It’s not a disagreement or discussion. It’s definitely not entertainment to engage in over lunch at the desk.

    Someone made a murder threat, not once but twice to clarify, and a group of people including fellow authors either directly or indirectly or by approving silence, agreed that the threat was justified.

    You all need to seriously step back and examine that.

    As a blog owner, if that had happened here, I would have deleted the comments and, no matter how much I hated the person it was directed to, I would have apologized. If I was part of that discussion, I would have posted a protest about the fact that something like that was being allowed, and then I would have left.

    That’s how I would see it.

    That’s how I would deal with it.

    And the fact that so many people do not share my view on death threats there, is why I decided that I don’t even want to lodge my occassional criticism of the carnage there anymore, because the audience is stone dead soulless cold and the blog owner is certifiable.

  84. AvatarAnne
    84

    Someone made a murder threat, not once but twice to clarify, and a group of people including fellow authors either directly or indirectly or by approving silence, agreed that the threat was justified.

    How is bitch-slapping someone or throwing an apple at their head a death threat? For fuck’s sake, overly dramatic much? Me thinks she over-estimating her importance to everyone here.

    *long drawn out sigh of disgust*

  85. AvatarNora Roberts
    85

    ~The fact that it doesn’t bother you at all that someone seems to feel this blog war is literally “to the death” - meaning mine - however remote the posibility, ends our discussions for me.~

    I don’t know how she got there, and I certainly don’t agree with her–to me–odd and extreme interpretation. But I believe she believes this.

  86. AvatarSybil
    86

    Maybe she is seriously allergic to apples and just being near the juice can cause her harm?

  87. AvatarAnne
    87

    That’s it Sybil! She’s like the Wicked Witch in The Wizard of Oz! But instead of water melting her, it’s the apple juice! Snort.

  88. AvatarNora Roberts
    88

    This may be a very unfair projection, but it’s how this all strikes me.

    CC got slammed pretty hard for her nasty commentary on Karen’s personal issue. Her only support there came from those who routinely support her. A lot of people who don’t regularly post here posted their outrage over that incident.

    She again gets slammed for her gleeful enjoyment of some very vile ‘artwork’. Again, her only support is from her usual, and again many people express their outrage and disgust.

    The leading opinion is lines were crossed.

    Therefore, to balance it out, crimes or attacks against her must be bigger, more awful. Need to justify making fun of infertility or 9-11?

    We have bitch-slapping and apple-tossing suggestions seen as death threats. Her life, to her way of thinking, has been threatened–and everyone who posts here is complicit.

    Again, I think she believes it.

  89. AvatarAnne
    89

    I agree, Nora. For some reason, in CC’s eyes, Karen is being a twit for being upset at their “poking fun” yet when it’s done here, we’re out to murder and maim. Ridiculous. She is, as they say, making a mountain out of a mole hill.

  90. AvatarSybil
    90

    Again, I think she believes it.

    maybe or she is going for - if you say it enough people will start to believe it…

    Of course there is the pilot/fed/medic? hubby… could be she is taking socking to a whole new level. Has anyone ever been in a room with CC/AV/EG all at once? You know other, than them.

  91. AvatarKaren Scott
    91
    Author Comment

    And the fact that so many people do not share my view on death threats there, is why I decided that I don’t even want to lodge my occassional criticism of the carnage there anymore, because the audience is stone dead soulless cold and the blog owner is certifiable.

    Amazing.

    That woman has the most severe strain of Selective Memory-itus, I’ve ever come across in my life. I did her a favour for months and chose to ignore her. That was a mistake on my part, because she continued to take my name in vain. All of a sudden, we’re the ones threatening her with death? You know what I think? I genuinely think she suffers from paranoid delusions. How else could she go from having an apple thrown at her head, to murder? I’m thinking she probably hasn’t been taking her meds. No joke.

    I appreciate the people who have urged me to ignore her, but I already did that for too long, and it didn’t have the desired effect. Instead it gave her a false sense of security. If she stops, then I stop. Simple.

    I think it’s time her friends and her husband staged an intervention and prised the keyboard away from her. Being let loose on the web is clearly not doing anything to improve the state of her psyche. That woman is messed up, and needs a strait jacket in the worst way.

  92. AvatarAnya Howard
    92

    I don’t always agree with Karen, but for the most part I enjoy her posts. If I come across something I disagree with here, well she has her opinion and like she states no one is forced to be here. But no woman deserves to be made the butt of someone’s joke because of their infertility. That photo is tasteless and without justification.

    I’ve enjoyed the Pickled Cupid (Cum Hither)blog and yes, find that clown-twin towers image of Capo likewise tasteless.

    Having a husband who had security clearance in the military, I am somewhat surprised to see a spouse’s official status discussed as freely as it has been. And maybe it’s just my two-cents worth, but I feel our military and government has more important things to worry about than any sour grapes posted at a romance blog, whether those sour grapes come from me, other writers, Karen, or even God bless her, Nora Roberts herself :)

    Karen, hugs to you!

  93. AvatarGrrrly
    93

    “Cindy should be bitch slapped and have produce thrown at her” = “I’ma take that bitch out, and here’s where, when, and how”

    Wow. That is a stunningly grand, well, we can’t really call it a leap of “logic”, now can we? Flight of fancy maybe? I guess if she squawks murder loud and often enough, Dave and his buddies might shoot first and ask questions later.
    But really? Srsly, fo’ shizzle fo’ shizzle? She’s actually taking a blog flamewar and turning it into a murder conspiracy, and we’re all complicit by our silence? ‘Scuse me while my mind boggles. That’s a whole new level of crazy right there. I hope she’s enjoying all the attention she was so desperately craving.

  94. AvatarLynne
    94

    Accusing others of making death threats is an “interesting” way of attempting to win an argument. Not one destined for success, IMO, but fascinating nonetheless.

  95. AvatarFormer Military Person
    95

    I’m posting this anonymously, because *I* don’t find the need to advertise my personal connections all over the internet.

    My husband and I both were in the US Army, in military intelligence, with Top Secret security clearances until recently. Yes, if you have a clearance, you and your family may be subject to monitoring in various methods. The reason for that is not to protect you, but to make sure you aren’t spilling the government’s secrets all over the place.

    And the reason for the law against threatening a federal agent’s family (with the caveats already listed) is not to protect those family members, but to make it easier for federal agents to do their jobs.

    The federal government is not worried about the personal safety of one person who may or may not be married to a federal agent. They are worried about the ability of their agents to do their jobs, and not compromise national security.

    I had a friend who worked in counterintelligence in the Army. She listened in on the phone conversations of other military personnel. Professionally, she listened for people talking about things that they shouldn’t. Personally, I had a some great laughs with her about the idiocy and weirdness of some of those people. I feel sorry for Cruciger’s husband and the damage her antics might do to his reputation (assuming this is for real) when the people he works with tell stories about her insanity online (and they will, because that is the only humor military and government people get in their lives sometimes).

  96. AvatarLeslie Kelly
    96

    >If you are going to whine about someone giving authors a hard time, stick to the topic. Keep the husband, baby, lack of baby, parents, military history, eating habits, etc.. out of it. <

    Can we leave reviewers’ boobs out of it, too, please?

    Karen…sigh. Can’t say any more than what’s already been said. I have a pretty demented sense of humor yet find absolutely nothing about this situation and that hideous “art” amusing.

  97. AvatarK
    97

    Oy, oy, oy…

    The amount of wtfery is truly striking. A few things really stand out.

    First, CC is up in arms over her children being brought into this (and I don’t happen to see how they were, but we are dealing with a delusional nutjob here), and yet she saw no problem with bringing Karen’s fertility struggles into the battle; in fact it was one of the first things she did. Seems to me that if you put your toe in those waters, then your own kids are fair game; if for no other reason than to lament the fact that they are doomed to an inevitable life of batshittery, by genetic make up if not by association.

    So she would find AV’s vile pictures “funny” in a “dark time.” That pretty much only further cements her nutjob status. I do not have children, and at this stage in my life am not ready to want to have children, but I fail to see how anyone could ever find humor in those images. My humor tends to be fairly dark, but there was nothing funny there.

    I too have familial connections to the US government, which is why I’m posting anonymously. A close family member of mine has the highest possible security clearance, and yes, the government will monitor family of those people. Several years ago when I briefly dated a man who was Iraqi born, said family member had to disclose this information to his security adviser. I was somewhat pissed at having to provide details of my dates, at 23 years old, to said family member. But there are legitimate reasons for it.

    That being said, if I’m acting like a twat, and someone on the Internet calls me a twat, that is not something the government will involve themselves in.

  98. AvatarAnon
    98

    The federal government is not worried about the personal safety of one person who may or may not be married to a federal agent. They are worried about the ability of their agents to do their jobs, and not compromise national security.

    Thank you.

  99. AvatarRobin
    99

    And the reason for the law against threatening a federal agent’s family (with the caveats already listed) is not to protect those family members, but to make it easier for federal agents to do their jobs.

    The relevant code section is as follows (for anyone interested):

    18 USC § 115. Influencing, impeding, or retaliating against a Federal official by threatening or injuring a family member

    (a)
    (1) Whoever—
    (A) assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap or murder a member of the immediate family of a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under section 1114 of this title; or
    (B) threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under such section,
    with intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with such official, judge, or law enforcement officer while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against such official, judge, or law enforcement officer on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
    (2) Whoever assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), or a member of the immediate family of any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), with intent to retaliate against such person on account of the performance of official duties during the term of service of such person, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
    (b)
    (1) An assault in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in section 111 of this title.
    (2) A kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, or conspiracy to kidnap in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in section 1201 of this title for the kidnapping or attempted kidnapping of, or a conspiracy to kidnap, a person described in section 1201 (a)(5) of this title.
    (3) A murder, attempted murder, or conspiracy to murder in violation of this section shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1113, and 1117 of this title.
    (4) A threat made in violation of this section shall be punished by a fine under this title or imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years, or both, except that imprisonment for a threatened assault shall not exceed 6 years.
    (c) As used in this section, the term—
    (1) “Federal law enforcement officer” means any officer, agent, or employee of the United States authorized by law or by a Government agency to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of Federal criminal law;
    (2) “immediate family member” of an individual means—
    (A) his spouse, parent, brother or sister, child or person to whom he stands in loco parentis; or
    (B) any other person living in his household and related to him by blood or marriage;
    (3) “United States judge” means any judicial officer of the United States, and includes a justice of the Supreme Court and a United States magistrate judge; and
    (4) “United States official” means the President, President-elect, Vice President, Vice President-elect, a Member of Congress, a member-elect of Congress, a member of the executive branch who is the head of a department listed in 5 U.S.C. 101, or the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
    (d) This section shall not interfere with the investigative authority of the United States Secret Service, as provided under sections 3056, 871, and 879 of this title.

    Again, I think she believes it.

    It’s difficult to tell, IMO, because she goes back and forth between exhibiting outrage and laughter, and I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t know what is authentic and what is not. I definitely don’t think she’s as blithe as she makes out, but I don’t know how much of what is said, done, and supported on behalf of the Campaign originates merely in some desire to create a reaction that can then be amped up and built on.

    But really, I don’t think it matters. The most recent alleged justification for the Campaign of Horrors seems to be the assumption that Karen is lying about her fertility problems and using them as a lure to trap people. Okaayyyy. The whole thing is so head-shakingly off the charts now it’s astonishing, really. But one of the most curious things about it — that they are doing all this publicly — also allows people to make up their own mind about who/what is and isn’t over any particular line of decency, legality, humanity, and/or sanity.

  100. AvatarKristie(J)
    100

    I’ve been following this thread and all CC related nonsense and I agree with Karen (and I don’t always :) ). She’s tried ignoring CC & Co - and it doesn’t stop them.
    I seriously don’t ‘get’ CC. I really don’t. She has wasted so much time and effort it’s frightening on trying to chastise Karen - and for why really????
    Life is too short - and too screwed up at times to manufacture shit - which is what CC does.
    The one I think is really sick in the mind is her minion AV. That ‘art’ she comes up with is downright VILE, VICIOUS AND NASTY to the extreme!

  101. AvatarMichelle
    101

    What is sad is that if CC is really suffering from mental illness (which I am not sure she is just seeking the attention and goes with whatever will pull people’s chains) that her family and supposed friends don’t encourage her to get help but just seem to egg her on.

  102. AvatarGhetto Diva
    102

    3) Threatening to bitch slap someone or throw apples at their heads is tantamount to a murder threat.

    Wow. Okay I take it all back. If I change the fruit to a bananna would that make it less offensive? **Bell is ringing** Maybe those are the Federal Agents now.

  103. Avatarkirsten saell
    103

    I can almost hear a certain someone’s security clearance plummeting into a murky, career-ending abyss…

    Honestly, I can’t imagine a universe in which someone like CC with all her apparent borderline psychoses (if she is indeed the wife of a federal agent, and not just imagining things) wouldn’t cause considerable annoyance to her husband’s superiors. And that’s before she started bandying his name, rank and security level all over the blogosphere.

  104. AvatarTate
    104

    Ghetto Diva, You know full well that your original threat did not involve fruit. Heck, I wouldn’t have known it was you that made the threat if you hadn’t copped to it. You posted this under the name “I’m see Ann & Cindy at RT next” (sic). I suppose that’s ghetto for you are going to the next RT and will see Ann and Cindy there which is not true in the least.

    Anyway, in the previous post about Cindy by Karen you said, “Now what I want to know if this Cindy and Ann will be at RT next year. Let’s see how tough and how much they can back up their shit when they are confronted ghetto style.” I am unaware that fruits and veggies are used in ghetto confrontations. On my local news ghetto confrontations involve guns and drive bys.

    Then you posted on this thread, “oh Puleeze- Let me school you on something. Getting ghetto on you CC, if done appropriately would make it very difficult for the “Federal Agents” to find. And that’s if any “Federal Agent” would waste time on an idiot like you who deserves to get bitched slapped.” It’s true that feds could care less if you want to toss an apple at Cindy but threatening to go ghetto on Cindy in a way that the Feds won’t find you… Hmmm that’s a threat well beyond the veggie tales eh?

  105. AvatarJane
    105

    On my local news ghetto confrontations involve guns and drive bys.

    Wow. Racist much?

  106. AvatarTate
    106

    How is that racist? Please explain.

  107. AvatarJane
    107

    Your assumption that the term phrase “confronted ghetto style” is tantamount to a death threat because your exposure to “ghetto confrontations involve guns and drive bys” is illuminating. I find it consistent, though, with the fact that all of the targets of Vremont’s art and mostly the targets of Cruciger’s rants are minorities or other people with ethnicities (aka Capo being assumed to being Italian complete with the mobster like Tommy gun in his hand and depicted as a terrorist of some sort).

  108. AvatarTate
    108

    How else could I have interpreted “confronted ghetto style”? Please illuminate me. Capo is most definitely an Italian term used by the mob. Without knowing Capo’s history how else should I have interpreted the term? First impression all that eh?

  109. AvatarK
    109

    Now now, Jane, you are referring to America’s finest citizens here. Ones whom the government monitor on a constant basis to protect their fragile little skulls.

    After all, CC’s hubby stands next to the president with a gun on a daily basis.

    Even though they live in a trailer park in Miami.

    There was no threat in that original comment that I can see, Tate. “If I see that woman at RT I’ll pop a cap in her ass,” would be a threat. “Let’s see if she has the balls (or the stupidity) to say to people’s faces what she says online” is not.

    I do hope CC’s government watch detail is currently raising funds for her mental illness treatment. It’s beyond clear she’s suffering one.

  110. Avatarsallahdog
    110

    FerfeLaBat Jun 7
    Sallahdog. I’ve seen what you said elsewhere.

    While it is true Dave does not care about what I do online in general. He does care if someone threatens to kill me and names the place and the week. The fact that it doesn’t bother you at all that someone seems to feel this blog war is literally “to the death” - meaning mine -

    shite, I go on vacation and now I am banned… okey dokey…. Can someone pull up the actual threat, because I obviously missed it… I only saw a bitch slap comment…

    I think both sides have definately ramped up the drama on this, but far be it for me to visit a website if it upsets her..

  111. AvatarAztecLady
    111

    Perhaps I’m too much of a Pollyanna (stop snickering, people, it could be true!), but I would have thought that confronting someone “ghetto style” for this sort of idiocy would be something like getting up in that person’s face and asking her to repeat, to a living, breathing, right-there-in-her face human being, some of the nasty things she has said and/or laughed about online.

  112. Avatarsallahdog
    112

    Then you posted on this thread, “oh Puleeze- Let me school you on something. Getting ghetto on you CC, if done appropriately would make it very difficult for the “Federal Agents” to find. And that’s if any “Federal Agent” would waste time on an idiot like you who deserves to get bitched slapped.” It’s true that feds could care less if you want to toss an apple at Cindy but threatening to go ghetto on Cindy in a way that the Feds won’t find you… Hmmm that’s a threat well beyond the veggie tales eh?

    Never mind, I see it now… (sorry, 10 hours in a car made me loopy)…. Ahhh… thats too vague to be considered a true threat (and lets face it, people say a LOT of shite on the internet that they wouldn’t have the cojones to do in real life…)I have a feeling ghetto diva probably wouldn’t have the guts to confront CC in public.

    Thing is CC, if your still reading this blog (and since I am no longer allowed to post on yours), that you also have said some pretty horrible shit to Karen. You have said on your blogs some pretty harsh things about people who made the news. If I remember correctly (its fricking hard to check since you delete stuff) you have even wished harm upon people who you considered not worthy of drawing breathe..

    Did that rise to the level of a death threat? No…and neither did this… so get the fuck over yourself…seriously… I have enjoyed CCs blog, she is amusing and offers an interesting view on living in they keys, but this stuff is just too stupid…

  113. AvatarTate
    113

    Even though they live in a trailer park in Miami.

    Where did this lie originate? One person says something out their ass and the rest of the sheep bleet along. Bah ram u.

  114. AvatarK
    114

    CC has said herself she lives in Miami.

    The trailer park comment, well,

    a) it’s funny, and
    b) she acts like it.

    I know, it’s gotta be tough having the reality light shined into the faces of your little psycho band of compulsive liars, but the fact that you continue to post in this thread, which continues the controversy, signals your derivation of some sick self-deprecating enjoyment. Do you mix this in with animal torture and bed-wetting, too?

    Tate, if you are a “friend” of CC’s, then perhaps you should shut up and let this all die. THAT would be the act of a friend.

  115. AvatarNora Roberts
    115

    ~Now what I want to know if this Cindy and Ann will be at RT next year. Let’s see how tough and how much they can back up their shit when they are confronted ghetto style.”~

    Okay, no fruit involved, but I sure wouldn’t leap to death threat. Oddly those who do seem to feel pictures with their ‘just can’t eat a whole baby’ captions are funny.

    I’d have to say there’s a really vast gap between the opinions and sensitivities of the many and those of the few.

  116. AvatarLaura
    116

    as a (mostly) lurker, i’ve noticed that as soon as cindy cruciger’s bullcrap gets past what she can easily spin, she tucks her tail between her legs, sticks her thumb in her mouth and hides. she’s mean, but she’s just not that smart.

  117. AvatarKaren Scott
    117
    Author Comment

    It’s true that feds could care less if you want to toss an apple at Cindy but threatening to go ghetto on Cindy in a way that the Feds won’t find you…

    Like Jane, I too find it interesting that you and Your Kind (and by Your Kind, I mean Cindy Cruciger’s Mean Girls) equate ghetto with violence, and the name Capo, with The Mob.

    How else could I have interpreted “confronted ghetto style”? Please illuminate me. Capo is most definitely an Italian term used by the mob. Without knowing Capo’s history how else should I have interpreted the term? First impression all that eh?

    Did you actually take the time to read what you wrote?

    You felt that without knowing Capo’s history, the only natural assumption you could make, was that he was an Italian mobster? Did you really write that Tate? I mean really?

    I daresay I’ve been reading Capo’s blog for a lot longer than you or Your Kind, but I can’t recall ever assuming that Capo was an Italian mobster. Interesting.

    Tate, can I ask you a question? Where do you stand on the question of making fun of reproductively challenged individuals? Do you find it amusing too? Do you think it’s justified? I think I know the answer, but just humour me ok?

    If somebody mentioned that they had reproductive issues, do you believe it would be appropriate to send them a card like the one above? If it was a friend of yours, is this something that you would do?

    I’ll tell you what, I’ll give you the chance to explain why you think Cindy Cruciger is the innocent party in this fight. You can choose not to take up the offer, but your silence will indicate to me that you don’t truly believe that she isn’t wholly to blame for this episode.

    It would be the only natural assumption, right?

  118. AvatarKaren Scott
    118
    Author Comment

    One person says something out their ass and the rest of the sheep bleet along. Bah ram u.

    Funny, but isn’t this what you and Your Kind do too?

    It seems to me that the majority of Your Kind have abandoned their moral values (the assumption is that you guys had such a thing in the first place) , in favour of blindly defending your friend. Admittedly, there’s very few of you (which is telling in itself) but isn’t that a bit pot and kettle, Tate? Stones and glasshouses dear, stones and glasshouses.

    I think both sides have definately ramped up the drama on this

    NO, SD, both sides have not ramped up the drama, I just chose to respond at last, after months of her bleating my name all over her blog. The difference is, on here, more than five people will respond. I think that’s something that’s always burned her for some reason. She hates, absolutely hates the fact that the me, the SBs, and DA, get more traffic than she does. She’s a jealous hag, and her trying to drive traffic to her blog using my name on her meta tags, kinda proves it. Talk about desperate.

    I’m happy to pretend Cindy Cruciger doesn’t exist, she just needs to do the same with me, and she’ll be a lot happier. She can’t win this, because she’s A, overly emotional about me, B, she’s totally lost her perspective, and C, she’s just not that smart.

    Anybody who comes on here telling the world that her husband is a federal agent with the highest security clearance can’t be too bright. I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t go down well with her husband’s bosses and his colleagues. Talk about high-level fuckwittery.

  119. AvatarDR
    119

    It is my opinion that all three of you (Ann, CC and Karen) are rather obsessed with one another and all have done and said things about each other -and others- that I think were completely out of line. Once you cross that invisible barrier people believe all becomes fair game and the “one-upmanship” drags you down into the mud.

    IMHO, CC and AV have gone farther than Karen in this twisted “game” but in some sick way I think you all enjoy the fight and the attention.

    With that said, I believe Karen is more decent and definitely smarter. Get out of this thing. What do you care what some bitter women you don’t even know have to say about you? Because you give them attention they keep coming back. Now, if that’s what you want then surely this is the best way to keep them around, but if not I suggest you pretend they don’t exist; don’t read their posts, don’t comment on them, just simply ignore them. They don’t deserve any better, and in the end, they seem to have nothing to lose and this is obviously affecting you. The smart thing, for your personal peace of mind, is to let it go.

  120. AvatarKaren Scott
    120
    Author Comment

    Get out of this thing. What do you care what some bitter women you don’t even know have to say about you? Because you give them attention they keep coming back.

    I already did the ignoring them thing DR, but turning the other cheek wasn’t working out so well. That only works with rational people, which they clearly aren’t. The only thing that seems to work is holding her under the microscope. I believe this will be more effective. For a few months at least.

    It’s easy to say just ignore them, those comments weren’t aimed at you. I wont ignore them any more, I don’t want to. I’m happy to give them the attention they so crave.

  121. AvatarGhetto Diva
    121

    Then you posted on this thread, “oh Puleeze- Let me school you on something. Getting ghetto on you CC, if done appropriately would make it very difficult for the “Federal Agents” to find. And that’s if any “Federal Agent” would waste time on an idiot like you who deserves to get bitched slapped.” It’s true that feds could care less if you want to toss an apple at Cindy but threatening to go ghetto on Cindy in a way that the Feds won’t find you… Hmmm that’s a threat well beyond the veggie tales eh?

    Tate you’re a moron! First of all, what I stated originally was not a murder threat. Very far from a murder threat. Yes! I grew up in the ghetto, hence my name ghetto diva, but sweetie, I’ve never held a gun in my life. Nor have I’ve ever sold drugs, nor have I ever done anything criminal in my life. In truth, I was givin Cindi exactly what she was dishing out, meaness.

    On my local news ghetto confrontations involve guns and drive bys.

    But let me school you on something, since you’ve decided to put you’re big foot inside of your mouth. You’re an ass ! Not everyone who actually grows up in the ghetto, because their family is poor, is involved in guns and drive bys. We lived in the ghetto-because we were a family of 7, with one income. So there you have it.

    To make the morons, including Cindy, Tate, and Ann Cremont happy, I have never been to RT. Nor will I ever go, since my obligations at home preside over anything else right now. AND I WILL REPEAT-JUST BECAUSE YOU GREW UP IN THE GHETTO DOES NOT = MURDER THREAT. Keep saying it together idiot threesome.

  122. AvatarMillie
    122

    I want to add that Cindy c. deletes her posts with comments about Karen (and SBs, Jane, and even Nora) after a week, so she and the CC Mean Grrs TM have their own sneak-fests and most people can’t trace it. Of course, the Internet caches don’t forget, nor those pesky History Detail Search Engines. Many of those angry or mocking diatribes of hers are still out there or have been saved (actually Cindy encourages us to save her posts before they disappear). So whilst Karen’s posts remain here for all to see and may look like obsession from her part, if you add those ‘lost’ posts, weird sock-puppet attacks on the Snark Underground websites, occasional public-so-Karen-can-respond posts, the AV art depictions, then CC and her Mean Grrs TM win hands down.

    Also, in their minds, those who agree with Karen’s, the SB’s and the Dear Author blogs are rabid violent gangs. You will see this accusation in the diatribe in the Snark Underground website where they went after Nora Roberts as gang leader. I believe they wanted to sniff her panties at one point.

    From their own words in those posts, they said it. If you agree with their enemies, you are part of a violent gang. If you agree with them saying you belong to a gang, you are just being funny, relevant, wise, insightful, and right. If you talk about plagiarism and blog posts, you are just provoking mob mentality. If they do it, it’s just to show that they are above it all and that their timing is better because they are honourable and will wait a while first.

    I’m posting this so the federal agents trawling during Sunday mornings would take the time to check out those internet cache for the missing posts their agent’s wife has deleted. They are still there. Also, federal agent people, please visit Snark Underground from Cindy’s site before it gets deleted. Thank you.

  123. AvatarAnon
    123

    At 3:55 AM, FerfeLaBat said…
    pardon the typos. Long day. Man I would love to go to Guatemala. Every time my husband goes Guatemala ends up with a new president.”

    Cindy, your indiscretion and braggadocio baffle me. Of course you can say you didn’t mean the comment the way it comes across. Even if you didn’t I know you had to be aware of the way it looked.

    You may not remember this comment. It was made in 2006. If your husband was/is the uber secret agent man you try to make him out to be, he didn’t teach you very well, did he? With all your indiscrete internet activity you might as well have drawn the bad guys who chase uber secret agent men a map to your home. Comments like these are the reason why I think you may be exaggerating a little bit about your spouse’s occupation. I don’t know one person who’d speak so cavalierly about their spouse’s business.

  124. AvatarThrowmearope
    124

    I, too, grew up in the ghetto, and I resent Tate’s assumption that all poor folks are murderers. Tate, look up the word sycophant in an on-line dictionary. Then stop being one.
    Twit.

  125. Avatarsallahdog
    125

    I think both sides have definately ramped up the drama on this

    NO, SD, both sides have not ramped up the drama, I just chose to respond at last, after months of her bleating my name all over her blog.

    Karen, I loves me some drama, you know that. what I mean by ramping up the drama is not so much karen and CC, but all the people who comment on the blogs. the “death threat” (which wasn’t) didnt even come from you… Its the whole halleluyah chorus that strikes up that ramps up the drama.. CC has her chorus too…

    Don’t think I am complaining, because its the Ahmen chorus that makes these brouhahas interesting…

  126. AvatarDee Tenorio
    126

    Going Ghetto on someone isn’t really a murderous threat. I’m from the ghetto. It means getting you and your big mouthed friend surrounded by a whole slew of people who proceed to intimidate the shit out of you. They stare you down and when you’re a sobbing, terrified mess, they let you go. Not out of pity or fear to go that extra mile. It’s so that EVERYONE can see how weak and pathetic you are in comparison to them. It’s an act of dominance and humiliation.

    As for the feds not being able to find the crime, that’s because no one sees shit in the Ghetto. That’s how it’s done. Everyone keeps their mouths shut. It means no one is going to support CC and AV because everyone in the community knows they have it coming. And that they should have kept their mouths shut.

    It’s not torment. It’s not a threat.

    It’s called getting put in your place.

    That, Tate, is going Ghetto.

    Ok, I know, that was engaging, but I thought I’d best clarify the definition.

  127. AvatarAnne
    127

    Don’t think I am complaining, because its the Ahmen chorus that makes these brouhahas interesting…

    See, and that I think is effed up. This whole situation should not be. CC is warped and AV, well, she just needs help… those pictures are clearly a LOUD cry for it. But to go after Karen in such a personal manner is totally fucked up. Being reproductively challenged is not a joke, it’s a serious condition that many women… and men… suffer and to make jokes about it? Beyond warped. The fact that she had to go that route tells me that she’s digging at the bottom of the barrel for some way to razz Karen. And with the level viciousness of this one, it’s no wonder she’s getting her name dragged through the mud, acting like a fucktard and being called on it, and even trying to go the victim route by making up death threats. Seriously, no one will ever take the time to bother with her personally. We just want to tell her she’s a vicious bitch who took things way too far. There is always a line-always-and they crossed it just once too many. It was time Karen said her piece. I applaud her for being quiet as long as she has been because I certainly don’t think I’d have been able to demonstrate that level of restraint.

    Karen- You rock, sweetie. Great big hugs!

  128. AvatarRobin
    128

    Your assumption that the term phrase “confronted ghetto style” is tantamount to a death threat because your exposure to “ghetto confrontations involve guns and drive bys” is illuminating. I find it consistent, though, with the fact that all of the targets of Vremont’s art and mostly the targets of Cruciger’s rants are minorities or other people with ethnicities (aka Capo being assumed to being Italian complete with the mobster like Tommy gun in his hand and depicted as a terrorist of some sort).

    This really is true, isn’t it? Karen, Gennita, you (Jane), Candy, Sarah, and what they assume about Capo — and then there’s that lovely 9/11 backdrop in the Capo image. Intentional or not, most of the targets are not apparent WASPS, are they?

  129. AvatarNora Roberts
    129

    ~And with the level viciousness of this one, it’s no wonder she’s getting her name dragged through the mud,~

    I agree. I don’t see it as an ‘ahmen’ chorus when people speak out against that kind of vile. Nor when there are those who chortle over an ugly caricature of a national tragedy.

    That goes way beyond disagreement, debate or even dislike.

  130. AvatarBernita
    130

    Dee, thank you.
    That’s exactly what I assumed “going Ghetto” meant - an in-your-face confrontation to tell someone exactly what they were and what everyone thought of them.
    The woman’s ridiculous.

  131. Avatarshirley
    131

    You guys are hilarious. “Going ghetto” does indeed mean to get one’s ass kicked by a group of people - AFTER said ring around the ‘put downs’. From the Urban dictionary: “Behave in a stereotypically African-American manner, either in dress, languance [sic], or ass whuppin’ [sic].”

    I worked in ER’s for many years. I’ve seen crime from ‘ghetto’ areas - enough atrocity to still give me nightmares over the saddest and most horrific cases. I held the hands of children who were bleeding from stabbings and shootings and beatings over their god damn shoes, and I am frankly insulted that anyone would say something so obviously menacing (… go all ghetto on her ass…)and then try to play it off like ‘I didn’t mean it that way’. And watching the rest of the group go along is just as disturbing. Was it a death threat, no. That way certainly overblown. Was GD saying she wanted to kick the shit out of CC? Yes, and we should stop pretending otherwise. If you expect me to believe that wasn’t what you meant, GD, you’re hoping for a whole lot of suspension of disbelief, which is absolutely beyond my power if imagination.

    The truth of the matter, from those who aren’t personally vested and follow for entertainment, is exactly like DR said. CC and AV are *NOT* funny with their tasteless art. But obviously being the butt of their jokes isn’t something KS or many of her loyal readers appreciate either. And since KS posted on the net about her problems, fair or not - nice or mean, she has to deal with it being used against her.

    You both have absolutely gone too far. KS says ‘don’t take it personally’ but you intend exactly that when you use words like ‘fucktwit, asshat, nitwit, idiot’ and the plethora of other pejoratives you use on a weekly basis to castigate and humiliate authors, writers, companies (or anyone really) who you think deserves it. Getting it back, ugly and underhanded this time or not, is obviously not sitting well.

    And CC and AV take the whole bitter about being rejected thing *way* too far. While I know there are people who probably would think AV and CC are amusing, I found the ovary bunny about as funny as those half baby dolls so many young people had sticking out of the trunks of their car years ago. Which is absolutely sickening. If CC wants to rake KS over the coals and call her on being a ‘mean girl’ keeping the hits above the waist, please pardon the expression, would be a benefit, not just to her commentary but to her person.

    Like I said on her blog, all of this is funny from an outside looking in POV, and it’s becomes fodder for old coots like me who watch the melee and then amend our reading lists. A lot of us bats worked in places where this type of catfighting and mob mentality or cliquishness, as you like, was commonplace and we surely aren’t looking to see it from authors we buy books from. It messes with our fantasy, you see. So, while AV and CC are absolutely on my do not buy list, so are many of the authors who chime in here running off at the mouth.

    I don’t know if it was here or not, but someone said something about the majority of readers not wanting to know how catty the authors they read can be. That’s the absolute truth. Moreover, we don’t really care why you jump in on one side of soirée or another - authors ganging up on other authors just leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

    Not that many authors care, LOL.

    Shirley

  132. AvatarAnn Aguirre
    132

    I don’t post much. I keep my head down and stay off the internet as much as I can.

    But I got slammed a while back because I supposedly started a Nora Roberts cult, full of sycophants like me. What did I ever do to Ferfe? I have no idea. I don’t remember interacting with her. I’ve never mentioned her on my blog. So why did she target me? No clue. I didn’t care enough to respond to the nonsense; I’m not concerned with what people who don’t know me think.

    So I’ll just say this: it’s ironic when the people defending the online world against “mean bloggers” are crueler than the supposedly mean ones. It puts me in mind of a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche. I’m sure you all know the one I mean.

  133. AvatarMichelle
    133

    Kudos to those authors with enough guts to stand up to bullies. Just as I have crossed off authors for bad behavior I have added others for their common sense and graciousness.

  134. AvatarIndida
    134

    Shirley,

    I suggest you don’t say anything further regarding “ghetto”. Especially, if you have to back up your definitions and statements by quoting the Urban-goddamn-Dictionary and providing anecdotes which are extremely stereotypical and prejudiced.

    Are ghetto people the only ones who shoot, stab and beat? And if so, they must do it while they are in groups or gangs, right?

  135. AvatarKaren Scott
    135
    Author Comment

    she has to deal with it being used against her.

    Shirley, with all due respect, you are talking out of your arse. If she’d been merely calling me a fucktard or any other obscenity, that would be one thing, but there are lines that shouldn’t be crossed, and this was one big old line. Calling her and her children ugly, would have been crossing that line, mocking her for having an illness would have been crossing that line.

    I think you’ll find, that not once in the years I’ve been blogging, have I crossed any of those lines. So no Shirley, if somebody posts that their children died tragically, she should not have to deal with it being used against her, and if that’s what you believe, then I’m afraid, that makes you an idiot.

    You both have absolutely gone too far. KS says ‘don’t take it personally’ but you intend exactly that when you use words like ‘fucktwit, asshat, nitwit, idiot’ and the plethora of other pejoratives you use on a weekly basis to castigate and humiliate authors, writers, companies (or anyone really) who you think deserves it. Getting it back, ugly and underhanded this time or not, is obviously not sitting well.

    Shirley, go and find one post, where I’ve said, please don’t take this personally, then gone on to call the authors fucktards etc. I don’t do that. If I’m calling you a fucktard, then one thing I’m not going to do is tell you not to take it personally.

    I’ve been ‘getting it back’ from people for years. Don’t be so naive as to think that CC is the only person who’s had her two cents worth about me. I choose to ignore those people, because they are only doing what I do regularly on here, and as long as they don’t take it to an ugly place like Cindy and her crew has done, then I just let them have at it.

    If somebody mocked you because you happened to have cancer, would you think that was fair game? I think not, because I know that you’re intelligent enough to know, that being called a fuckwit, and being mocked because of an illness isn’t even in the same ball park, and you suggesting it is, makes you look stupid, and I don’t think you’re a stupid woman.

  136. AvatarThrowmearope
    136

    Shirley, I grew up in the ghetto and I was a trauma MD in a level 2 ER at a County (read–charity) hospital for years. I’ve probably seen stuff you might have trouble dealing with. Just f’r instance, was one of your interns knifed with a stiletto by a member of the Mexican Mafia? Most likely not. Did the Crips call in creditable death threats against the staff in your ED? Did a drunken white cowboy come through the door of your ED with a shotgun shouting your name? Some idiot did that to me. No exaggeration. (That was the great thing about County, no exaggeration was needed. I’d miss the place, except I value my sanity more.)

    So, gee, girlfriend, I didn’t need to go the Urban Dictionary to know what going ghetto means. I also know a real death threat when I hear one. (Or in this case read one.) What I read was not anywhere close to a creditable death threat.

    As for CC and Co. not being any of my business, Ferfe attacked me, just a reader, personally, on of her now infamous deleted posts. (The one about, omigod, Candy’s got boobs! Like a female having secondary sex characteristics that define femaleness came as a big ol’ shock to Ferfe.)

    I don’t recall doing anything to merit that attack except posting comments at KS, DA and SBTB.

    Oh, and Shirley, I am a certifiable old broad too. As a nurse (I think you said you were in one post way back), I’d think you’d have compassion for someone having their medical history mocked.

  137. AvatarRobin
    137

    The truth of the matter, from those who aren’t personally vested and follow for entertainment, is exactly like DR said. CC and AV are *NOT* funny with their tasteless art. But obviously being the butt of their jokes isn’t something KS or many of her loyal readers appreciate either. And since KS posted on the net about her problems, fair or not - nice or mean, she has to deal with it being used against her.

    As someone who has articulated some unpopular views on this blog and gotten hit for it, you may actually believe this. But putting aside for a second the issues around enjoying all this for entertainment’s sake, I think your perspective here is off.

    I was targeted once by Karen, and I thought it was unfair (along with a number of the comments — and believe me, I still remember who made what comment). I don’t always think Karen is fair, but you know what, that’s what the comments are for. That’s what the click away option is for. And one thing about Karen is that she isn’t of the “throw a rock and hide your hand” school of blogging (to quote Steve Almond), and in that alone she is distinguished from those behind the Campaign of Horrors.

    So speaking as one who has been on the other side of this particular fence, I don’t think there is ANY equivalence between what Karen (or Dear Author or the SBs, etc.) does and what goes on with Vremont, Crucicer, et al. I don’t believe anyone who says that it doesn’t hurt just a little bit to be criticized, but there is a world of difference between calling someone out online for their words or actions and ridiculing someone with the flat out viciousness and aggression of Cruciger, Vremont, and those who egg her on (even, and perhaps especially, for mere entertainment’s sake). THAT, IMO, is the reason you see so many comments here. It’s the exact opposite, in fact, of the sheep mentality; that is, many of us who might otherwise not be in agreement or general sympathy have, thanks to the Campaign, become aligned on the same side of this vast gulf.

  138. AvatarKaren Scott
    138
    Author Comment

    I was targeted once by Karen, and I thought it was unfair

    Did I? What was the subject matter? I know I should remember, but I honestly don’t.

  139. AvatarRobin
    139

    It was after my throw down on AAR with Nora Roberts. A couple of years ago. Which makes at least two principals in this drama I have had issues with and managed to live to comment another day.

  140. AvatarKaren Scott
    140
    Author Comment

    Ahhh, I remember the event, but not the people involved, lol. I can’t even remember what I wrote. I’ve insulted a lot of people since then *g*.

  141. AvatarRobin
    141

    Yeah, yeah, I know; there have been so many of us . . .

    The basic point I was trying to make is that I don’t need to stand in a circle and sing Kumbaya with everyone in order to interact with them online with a measure of civility. I certainly don’t idolize anyone — everyone has their asshole moments and no one is above criticism, IMO — but I think most people are made up of enough light and dark that if you draw your lines too narrowly you wouldn’t be able to interact with anyone, lol. And as the Renee Lyons email shows, the people you might want to write off in one instance can be a good surprise/support in another. So while I may have certain private views on things and people, I try to be somewhat circumspect when it comes to writing someone completely off, especially at the somewhat surface level of interaction that occurs most often online.

  142. AvatarGhetto Diva
    142

    You guys are hilarious. “Going ghetto” does indeed mean to get one’s ass kicked by a group of people - AFTER said ring around the ‘put downs’. From the Urban dictionary: “Behave in a stereotypically African-American manner, either in dress, languance [sic], or ass whuppin’ [sic].”

    Urban Dictionary? The ever correct resource for looking up word meanings. **snicker** I now will add you to the list Shirley of morons. You’ll fit right in along with Cremont, Cruger, and Tate.

    Ghetto, does not equal african american or ass whupin. Ghetto is exactly what Dee Tenorio said an in you face attitude.

    Race has no play in it.

  143. Avatarsallahdog
    143

    LOL, anyone who sits around and worries about people disagreeing or being called a fuckwit, probably shouldn’t hang out on the internet, or at least, not post on the internet…. Its pretty much a given… Heck, I get called a fuckwit in real life, and so someone anonymously calling me one really doesn’t do much to raise the blood pressure.

  144. Avatarshirley
    144

    I didn’t say anything about race. I quoted the urban dictionary - what, I’m supposed to paraphrase the definition so that somebody here doesn’t jump to the conclusion that I’m a bigot/racist? I didn’t say anything about gangs either - not sure where that came from. Violence in the ghetto is more prolific and violent than what I’ve seen in small town America, both in nastiness and creativity and in volume. Black, white, latin, asian, it doesn’t matter who propagates the violence.

    I worked in Boston, Louisville, Chicago, and other large cities when I was a nurse, so yes, I’ve seen guns in the ER, people shot in the ER, stabbed, attacked, menaced and harassed. And I’ve comforted families dealing with it. Thankfully, I was never targeted.

    CC was lowdown, Karen, but you are too. Just because you didn’t call her kid names or say you hoped she got cancer doesn’t make your often over the top crush fest of those you disdain any less hurtful or painful to the target. I’d think being called a fucktard, nitwit, and a ridiculous excuse for a human being, multiple times, would or could be crushing to most people. I mean, hell, get told you’re useless often enough and a lot of people start to believe it. It’s called psychological abuse when you do it to children - and it’s called the same thing when you use it on an adult. And NO, I’m not talking about CC, but anyone you ’snark’ here.

    Also, you used ‘apparently’ when talking about the cancer of the DEP owner. Where I come from, we don’t attach apparently to the mention of any disease. Maybe it’s different in the UK, but since snark and mockery are you’re forte, you’ll have to forgive me if I took your ‘apparently, she has cancer’ as ‘ostensibly’ and not ‘in fact’. That’s pretty crass, imo. But immediately following this, there will be several posts by folks claiming you didn’t mean it that way. Oh, okay.

    I want to make it clear I am NOT, no way, no how, taking CC or AV’s side. Absolutely unequivocally she/they went too far. My point was mudslinging is ugly. Period. You use fucktard and nitwit, imply people are mentally handicapped - or batshit crazy- because you think they did something asinine, and it’s all good. Cause everyone makes fun of the mentally handicapped. And CC has taken the metaphoric capture of your head to an unrealistic and unappealing place. But if you hadn’t said on the internet that you had fertility problems, she wouldn’t have had the ammo. Not everyone keeps their insult banter to ‘you’re a fucking retard’ or ‘your racist’ or whatever.

    Now I’ll go back to lurking. It seems even disagreeing with CC isn’t good enough. I can’t say what she did is wrong but you aren’t always in the right either without someone slinging mud at me, LOL! Funny thing is, I found your blog in romance land, but now I visit it for everything but. As long as you aren’t castigating an author, I find your commentary delightfully funny - or appropriately outraged - and I agree with you when you say ‘wtf’ to a woman being killed because she was raped (like it was her fault) or a for-certain nutjob holding his child in a cell for thirty years or what ever non-book related bits you post.

    Shirley

  145. AvatarEmma Petersen
    145

    I worked in ER’s for many years. I’ve seen crime from ‘ghetto’ areas - enough atrocity to still give me nightmares over the saddest and most horrific cases. I held the hands of children who were bleeding from stabbings and shootings and beatings over their god damn shoes, and I am frankly insulted that anyone would say something so obviously menacing (… go all ghetto on her ass…)and then try to play it off like ‘I didn’t mean it that way’.

    Nothing of course happens in non “ghetto” areas. Wasn’t Columbine in the hood? Oops. It wasnt? I don’t care for the fact that the word ghetto is often associated with either Af Ams or people of a lower income bracket. You can grow up in a bad area and not be ghetto. Hell, you can have money and still be ghetto as hell. (IE, Britney Spears and family.)

  146. Avatareggs
    146

    Reading over all of this, I feel sorry for Karen having to put up with this crap, but mostly I feel very sorry for this David Cruciger person who actually has to live with someone who clearly has mental health issues. Free internet diagnosis? I’m going with Narcissistic personality disorder. These people are not fun to deal with.

    I don’t know if the erstwhile Urban Dictionary has a definition of NPD, but there are plenty of other sites on the web with accurate rundowns, and this woman fits very closely with the profile. Sadly, there’s no cure for personality disorders. That means she’s NEVER going to be able to let this go, Karen - even if continuing on completely destroys her life - so think carefully about how much emotional energy you want to sink into this.

    I wish I was going to RT so I could see how many people turn up with shiny green granny smith apples in their hands! Maybe we could nominate a time for everyone to casually stroll through the lobby with their apple in their hand? Could be fun!

  147. Avatarkirsten saell
    147

    The Open Source Apple Project?

  148. AvatarKaren Scott
    148
    Author Comment

    Shirley, it’s obvious we’re coming at this from two totally different places, so I just suggest we agree to disagree, because neither of our stances are going to be changed anytime soon.

  149. AvatarGhetto Diva
    149

    You guys are hilarious. “Going ghetto” does indeed mean to get one’s ass kicked by a group of people - AFTER said ring around the ‘put downs’. From the Urban dictionary: “Behave in a stereotypically African-American manner, either in dress, languance [sic], or ass whuppin’ [sic].”

    Shirley, you must agree with the “urban dictionary” because it does state African American. Well as part african american and part Latin, and someone who grew up in the ghetto, I think you should go back to where you came from, and keep your mouth shut on subjects you know nothing about.

  150. AvatarNora Roberts
    150

    I can’t make the jump from discussing a personal difficulty or hardship on a blog–which is by its very nature designed for the personal–to providing ammo.

    Certainly calling someone a fuckwit isn’t kind–or meant to be. But, on my scale, is nowhere near the vicious commentary or pictures re infertility.

    You don’t like authors ‘chiming in here’, Shirley, and that’s your right. But that’s what blogs are for. Opinions and discussions. Writing books doesn’t strip an author of opinions or her right to express them. It certainly doesn’t, and shouldn’t, negate her right to speak out against something she believes is just plain wrong.

    You say you enjoy the non-book related topics here, because you generally agree with Karen’s take on them. Other posters enjoy her book related topics as well. Some agree, some don’t–it depends–and that’s where commentary comes from.

  151. AvatarDawn
    151

    I haven’t had time to read all of the comments, but Karen I agree with those who advise not to respond and lower yourself to her level. Frankly, she sounds like the type who’d stake out your house and shoot you dead - and with her husband’s gun too.

  152. AvatarGhetto Diva
    152

    I just got this from Freddy Cruger’s blog.

    FerfeLaBat Jun 8
    I only took the death threat seriously and that is because

    a. It was a way out of proportion reaction to the “discussion”

    and

    b. You never know and past experience has taught me to report threats and then let professionals deal with it. If you don’t say anything at the time then you have no leg to stand on if something happens later.

    Ann is the artist, btw. Very creative, but not every picture is for every one I guess. I doubt she’s open to making Karen look like a hag. She never goes for the obvious.

    I’m sorry they called you a(n) “ignorant, racist, bigoted, and of course a stupid fuckwit”. On the upside, if you are a grandma, think of it as a way to relive Jr. High. Any time you need a walk back in time, just go to Karen’s place and disagree with her. She’s like a modern day fountain of youth.

    And it fucking amazes me how Cruger makes herself to be an innocent, or tries to by apologizing to Shirley. Not even being woman enough to apologizing to Karen, by “enjoying” the photo bitch Cremont did. Cruger even calls it “creative.” I tell you this world is filled with nuts.

    And for the last time, Cruger since we all know you can’t live without Karen’s blog- THERE WAS NO DEATH THREAT EVER TOWARDS YOU. But I guess I can’t reason with insanity. No one can.

  153. AvatarKristie(J)
    153

    I’m going with Narcissistic personality disorder. These people are not fun to deal with.

    I think Eggs has hit it on the nose. Just out of curiosity, I looked this up on the net last night and she displays many of the symptoms. If this is the case and I’m willing to bet it is, the bad news Karen is you are never going to win and the badder news is until someone else enters her orbit, she isn’t going to stop.
    I’d say just do the best to ignore her is she does have this disorder ’cause it’s like bashing your head against the wall trying to stop her.
    I think the vast majority of posts here prove that you do have support on your side.

  154. AvatarNora Roberts
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    ~I’m sorry they called you a(n) “ignorant, racist, bigoted, and of course a stupid fuckwit”~

    I see where a poster put Shirley on a ‘moron list’, but couldn’t find any where she was called the above.

    Maybe I didn’t go back far enough? But the thread’s just too long.

  155. AvatarIndida
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    Nora,

    Shirley is the only one who used the words ‘racist’ and ‘bigot’.

  156. AvatarGhetto Diva
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    FerfeLaBat Jun 9
    I believe she is in Public Relations and her husband “Paul” is an engineer of some variety. No confirmation on that yet.

    OMG! Freddy Cruiger’s found me out! Yes I’m in public relations, and my husband is Paul an engineer. Oh wow she really does have Federal Agents scoping her site. I’m scared. I’m going in hiding.

    NOT! LOL. Your info is pretty funny Cindy-Lunatic that you are. Thanks for the laugh.

    FerfeLaBat Jun 9
    The reason I think it’s Karen-sock-puppet is the use of the word “appropriately”

    I don’t hang around in a lot of ghettos and the one near my office is mostly mixed ethnicity where English is optional. But. In my head I’d just never expect to hear them say “appropriately” in a sentence fragment threatening me. I could be wrong.

    Okay so now people who were raised in the ghetto, wouldn’t use “appropriately” in a sentence. Way to go Cindy you are an ass.

    And Ann, you are worse than Cindy-way worse. You psychotic nut.

  157. AvatarNora Roberts
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    ~Shirley is the only one who used the words ‘racist’ and ‘bigot’.~

    Ah. Well.

    Re Shirley, she and I had a confict here some time ago, which we–oddly enough–hashed out reasonably on another blog. We ended it by agreeing to a clean slate. However, she brought up the incident (or my part of it only) on CC’s blog in this last business. People do tell me stuff like this. So I see that ‘clean slate’ means something different to her.

    Adding this together, it gets hard for me to take her comments or opinions seriously.

    As for CC’s comments copied in the post above, they pretty much speak for themselves.

  158. AvatarKaren Scott
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    I see Cindy’s managed to stop thinking about me then. Not.

    Hey GD, something else I’ve learned, apparently people who live in the ghetto can only use monosyllabic words. Who knew?

    As for Shirley, well, I gave her lot of leeway on here because she’s an elderly woman, and one thing I’ve learned is that the older people get, the more set in their ways they become, so if they tell you that pink is blue, then arguing with them is usually a waste of good oxygen, because it wont make a blind bit of difference.

    I can’t believe that Cindy Cruciger, the biggest child in Blogland called me juvenile. That wench must have been bullied at school, because she clearly never got over it.

    Somebody compared CC to a religious zealot,because she truly believes she’s taking up the cause on behalf of all the poor oppressed authors out there. She thinks that all the authors agree with her, but she’s the only one with enough balls to stand up to me.

    They also used the word fanatical, and I totally see that. I bet she can’t sleep at night because she’s so busy plotting ways to do me in.

    There must be something more important going on in her life than me, you would think, but apparently not.

  159. AvatarGhetto Diva
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    Karen, Cindy is obsessed with you. And that is a frightening thought. She must have you on her mind constantly. Wonder what her hubby thinks about her obsession.

    She thinks that all the authors agree with her, but she’s the only one with enough balls to stand up to me.

    I’m an author. And I don’t agree with one word that comes out of her fucked up mouth. I’d actually have the balls to stand up to anyone that thinks putting up fake ass pictures of someone’s problems are funny.

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