Cindy Cruciger And Ann Vremont: Two Crazy-Assed MFs…

Warning, the following post is long and rambling, and somewhat incoherent in places, but long over due, so if you want to avoid drama, you might want to look away now.

I don’t like Cindy Cruciger, and I never have, even during her more sycophantic phase, but I kinda accept that she’s just a foolish, bitter, malicious broad, who can’t see the wood for the trees, and who doesn’t seem to understand what the phrase, ‘get over it’, means.

She constantly bangs on about my evil ways, but what she fails to recognise is that her bestest friend, Ann Vremont, is without doubt, the most vile, and vicious person, most of us Romancelandia folk have ever come across in Blogland (or in real life come to think of it), bar none. That’s some feat, right?

Ann crosses so many lines it’s laughable, (see Revenge Greeting Card on right) and all the while, her best friend, Ferfelabat AKA Cindy Cruciger, cheers on her genius. Cindy thought the picture on the right was hilarious.

The more I look at this card the more I could see myself sending it to any one of several friends who are in fertility treatment hell just to make them laugh. There should be a guy version as well.

Yeah, because that would be so darn hilarious. Even if there was a liklihood that one’s friends would find it amusing, why would you even go there? Surely sending them a teddy bear and chocolates would be more effective?

Anyway, I had a bit of a confrontation with Cindy Cruciger over at Capo’s blog earlier this week. Basically, Cindy had gone onto the Pickled Cupid blog (formerly C’um Hither Global) , and accused them of taking the piss out of her dead father-in-law. In actual fact, they weren’t, and if she could have removed her ‘Karen Scott and everybody who likes, her must die’ head on, she’d have had a clearer picture.

If any of you read C’um Hither Global before Capo, Bailey and Peter closed it down, you’ll know that they basically take Romancelandia news, and poke fun at it. Anyway, Cindy took exception to this post, and said so, in her usual passive aggressive way.

Peter responded to her comment, and then she had this to say:

You are assuming “Karen Scott” is telling the truth. On the few occassions when she has posted supposedly “personal” things about herself, it was to get people who are commenting under their real names or verifiable pseudonyms, to reveal real conditions they have. She then uses it against them later in one of her hit posts.

Does that gal ever think of anything, other than me? I never imagined she was a woman who did drugs, but how else can one explain her wild ramblings? I’m trying to think of the last time, I asked readers to ‘reveal conditions they had’, and then went on to use it against them, and I admit, I keep drawing a blank. Anybody remember such an event? Cinny, help me out here.  Surely, this is the pot calling the kettle black? It begs the question, has Cindy Cruciger ever looked in the mirror, and seen herself, as she really is?

Anyway, she had lots more to say for herself:

The truth is, you have no idea if “Karen Scott” is even a she and you don’t know if “she” really has fertility issues. I think that if she does, it’s reprehensible to use it to lure in victims to use as blog fodder, which is why I wrote that post you so obviously took issue with. I’m sure there’s no need to personalize what you read there.

See what I mean? Wild rantings, with little or no relevance to anything. Yeah, I guesss I could secretly be a man, and yeah, I could have been making up the whole fertility thing, just to garner sympathy, because (run-on sentence ahead) that’s the kind of thing I do all the time. And I guess I could have been trying to get others to admit to their fertility problems, so that I could take piss out of them later. Hmmm… Smokescreen much?

I think Cindy Cruciger knows she did a bad thing, and now she’s trying to justify it. She trawls through my blog often enough to have found my not-so-upbeat posts, back when this blog didn’t have as many visitors as it does now.  She knows she was wrong to take the piss out of my fertility issues, and now she’s trying to pretend that what she said wasn’t one of the most vile things one human can say about another. Like I said to her, what she did was akin to me finding out that her hubby had been giving it to some young, slim, pretty thing (hypothetical you understand), and mocking her on my blog because of it. Any smart person would recognise, that most people at heart are mostly decent, and wouldn’t tolerate such a thing.

She goes on to add:

Most people just want the entertainment and Karen gives it to them one way or another. It’s all good … as long as it’s someone else being roasted.

This is the same person who used to come onto my blog and crow with glee, whenever I took the piss out of anybody. The hypocrisy no longer surprises me.

There’s absolutely no question who your post is about. I am absolutely fair game and you did a pretty decent job. Bringing my kids into it was an especially interesting, character revealing touch. You blog anonymous, so you can say whatever you want with absolutely no personal repercussions so why prevaricate? Have the guts for a full on attack. You will win points with your mentor Karen Scott, and be well on your way to blog stardom.

The mentioning of her kids thing? Here’s what was actually written:

The spokesperson also acknowledged that both women lost several teeth in the course of breaking moonshine bottles against one another’s faces. Ms. Crueger’s son and owner of the trailer is currently attending college in another county and will not be charged in the incident. Freddy Crueger did make a brief statement to reporters, “My mother has always been her own worst nightmare.”

Yeah, I think the pun was obvious to most rational thinking people too. ‘Nuff said.

Blog stardom? Mentor? It’s amazing how she manages to bring everything back to me isn’t it? Does she realise how much I seem to consume her every thought?

I’m sure Capo is a great writer with a magnificent career ahead. Let’s be honest, though. Decent people don’t blog anonymous hit pieces about people they don’t know just for entertainment. You, Me, Karen, Capo, Purr - we are many things. Decent is not one of them.

She’s right, she is many things, but decent certainly isn’t one of them. Vindictive, vengeful, obsessed, jealous, paranoid, and malicious maybe, but decent? Nah. Capo and the guys from the Pickled Cupid blog at least come across as decent people, which is more than I can say for Cindy Cruciger and her best pal Ann ‘I Have A Screw Loose’ Vremont. Hey, even Selah March and Eva Gale comes across as a decent people, regardless of how I personally feel about them.

Cindy’s lucky that I actually am a decent person, because were I not, there are so many places, and so many lines I could cross in the name of one-upmanship. Luckily for her, I have scruples, and a conscience. Damn shame that.

Anyway, I responded to her comments, because gone are the days when I simply yawn and move on. If you want to read my response, you can do so over on Pickled Cupid.

She then had this to say:

Oh Karen. You have no lines or limits. Once you start lying you are at rock bottom and digging.

She would know about the lying thing I guess. She keeps trying to tell everybody who’ll listen that I called Robin Schone a racist. I mean, use your common sense Cinny, if you’re gonna tell big fat porkies, tell ones that nobody can easily disprove. Could she be more stupid?  Erm… apparently.

Here’s the deal. Every other month or two (or until I get bored with it) I am going to spend five minutes scanning your blog, looking for your latest victim of fame-hate and I am going to blog it. It’s just that simple. If you don’t like it, don’t do it to other people. When you stop attacking people for no reason, I will stop criticizing you for attacking people. If you don’t like the criticism, don’t criticize.

She has the gall to still pretend that this is about anything other than her humiliation at my hands last summer. She couldn’t give a flying fuck, about my ‘victims’, she just wants an excuse to obsess about me some more. Sorry Cindy, no matter how much you want me to, I’m not gonna have sex with you, I don’t swing that way. How many times do I have to tell you? Honestly, Sweetie, it’s not you, it’s me.

Re her threats? I say bring it on. I guarantee she’ll get tired of the drama before I do, and this time round, she’s not going to be given the option of an olive branch, when she gets tired of the war.

Other than regret for the damage you do to your targets, I don’t care if you ever stop. I would appreciate it if you would stop playing the victim. It doesn’t suit you and I would hate to think I was actually hurting your ever so delicate feelings.

On the one hand, she says she’ll keep on until I stop, on the other hand, she says she doesn’t care if I never stop? Which is it Cindy? That woman has ‘victim mentality’ written all over her, so she’s one to talk. As I said to her, I’ve simply proved that I’m better at hurting her with her own words, than vice versa.

To the anonymous owners of this blog … if you say you simply used my father-in-laws name to be funny then I will pretend that I believe you. You’ve mentioned losses in your own families and I am sorry for your loss. It’s a little different though when someone deliberately drags up the name of your loved one and uses it the way you have here. That line is ok with you though, I see.

The name that Peter used by the way was Freddy Crueger. Apparently her father-in-law was called Freddy. Yeah, she actually imagines that the Pickled Cupid guys ransacked her blog, found out that her father-in-law was called Freddy, then decided to use him as ammunition, against her. Yeah, right. I suspect that her paranoia was due to the fact that she would have done exactly that herself.

You have learned the “Karen Scott” style book by heart.

a. Anonymous
b. Attack people you don’t know.
c. Don’t bother to fact check the source before lashing out.
d. If you can’t tell the truth, lie like your life depends on it.

I’d say she’s been reading that Karen Scott book from cover to cover. She’s such a tit, she actually thinks that because she’s so passive aggressive, whenever she’s trying to lay into someone, that what she does cannot be counted as all-out attack. Once again, I have to ask the question, does that woman ever look in the mirror, and see herself how she really is?

You are a creative breath of fresh air. As I said before - welcome to the blog wars. Stick with Karen. She will feed you tons of fresh meat.

Too easy, and any comment I would wish to make would be just too unkind.

In my opinion, Cindy Cruciger has issues, and she clearly needs some sort of therapy to help her get over her obsession with me. Her friend, Ann Vremont, on the other hand, is beyond saving. She’s gutter trash, and she has no moral compass whatsoever. That bitch is so contemptible and vile, she makes me look like Mother Teresa in comparison.

In the Mean Girls contest, her and Cindy Cruciger wins hands down every time.

Oh the irony.

If Cindy Cruciger wants a war, I don’t mind obliging her, she just needs to make sure she has the appetite for it, this time round.

It should be another very interesting summer.

159 Comments »

159 piped up to “Cindy Cruciger And Ann Vremont: Two Crazy-Assed MFs…”

  1. AvatarPassed Fed Up
    1

    If I ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER become this obsessed with a person I’d hope my love ones would stage an intervention.

    Wrong is wrong. Simply as that. You cannot equate calling someone a fucktard with making fun of someone’s inability to conceive.

    Let’s be real about this. Is being called a fucktard going to echo throughout your life?

    Let’s think about it. No.

    Is the inability to conceive a child with the person you’ve chosen to spend the rest of your life with going to?

    We don’t even have to think about it. Of course it is. As a woman it has to be fucking gut wrenching not to be able to do the one of the most sacred things women have been blessed with.

    And making fun of that loss (And yes, it’s one hell of a loss) is supposed to be okay?

    Cindy if you read this, ADMITTING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IS THE FIRST STEP. It’s okay for you to CRUCIFY people but Lord forbid if someone else picks up a nail and hammer.

    Get a clue. Get a life and move the fuck on.

    After what you and Ann did, Karen could go out and kill bunnies (And I love bunnies) and you’d STILL be the bigger asshole.

    And hell yes, I’m anonymous because you’re a crazy bitch and I don’t want you on my blog.

  2. AvatarPassed Fed Up
    2

    Taken from Crucify’s latest blog post:

    I should probably give you a heads up (because I’m a nice person that way) that making threats against a family member of a Federal Agent is a felony so if you DO contact me, keep it sort of civil and if you want to make physical threats you’d better follow up quickly, because you won’t have a lot of time to make good on them.

    IF she was actually related to a federal agent she would know this:

    Such violent acts must be done “with the intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with” such Federal official “while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against” such Federal official.

  3. AvatarShiloh Walker
    3

    Since I suspect Cindy is reading this blog… Cindy, laughing at that card, approving of it, thinking it’s cute or appropriate in any way…it ain’t.

    Flat-out, from somebody who had fears of being able to have another child after I miscarried, I can tell you there is no way in hell that card could ever be considered as something ‘acceptable’. Morbid humor can work in some places. Infertility isn’t one of them-at least not for most people.

    Karen, anybody that’s been reading your blog for a while is going to figure out that while you can be blunt & sometimes harsh on your views & reviews, you’re also going to treat people as they treat you. If they show you respect, you show it back. As it should be, because respect is two-way street.

    On the flipside, somebody gives you hell, you give it right back.

    This mean-girl, you-pick-on-authors-so-i’ll-do-it-to-you mess is getting old. Authors should be able to handle themselves. If they are professionals, they WILL handle it. We’re all grown-ups. Unless there’s a kid-wonder genius out there that’s gotten romance books pubbed (and if there is, I don’t wanna know).

    With their ‘mean girl crusade’ going on, they should consider just how much pain they’ve caused for the innocent bystanders with some of the crap they’ve posted/created/laughed about in regards to fertility. Since the basis of the attacks on you are rooted in ‘mean girl bloggers’…well, I’d recommend looking in a mirror, but people see what they want to see.

    But like begets like. All this negativity crap going around…well, if they aren’t already miserably unhappy people, it’s going to come. It will catch up with them.

    If they already are miserable unhappy people ….wellllll…. perhaps they should reevaluate and focus some of this obsessive energy on fixing whatever is wrong in their lives. Wait…unless it’s you, Karen. Are they so focused on you because you’re what’s wrong in their world? Dang…are you that powerful that you can control and ruin the lives of people you’ve never met? On the other side of the world? If so, I’m impressed and suitably terrified. ;)

    Even if Cindy can convince herself that she’s on some ‘righteous’ crusade, you don’t change people by attacking them. It doesn’t work. That’s been proven throughout history time and again.

    I’m out of town for the weekend and hopefully I can resist the urge to keep up with this madness. Hopefully.

    No promises, though.

    *hugs* Karen. This just sucks all around.

  4. AvatarMaryJanice
    4

    Karen, could I trouble you to send me your private e-mail address when you have a moment? Mine’s maryjanice@comcast.net. Thanks very much! :-)

  5. AvatarNora Roberts
    5

    At this point–and probably for quite some time–CC doesn’t have many who buy into her ‘they’re mean girls and I’m standing up for the victim’ blather. She’s stepped in it too often, and notoriously stepped over the line of truly ugly.

    There’s a difference between a crusader and a woman on a vendetta.

    Clearly she hates Karen, the SBs, Jane at DA, and reviles anyone who comments on those blogs. That’s a lot of hating and reviling.

    The ‘blog-star’ comment’s telling, I think. Karen’s blog–as do the others above–generate a solid following. CC’s not so much but the same handful.

    It must be galling.

  6. AvatarMichelle
    6

    I have said it before and I will say it again. CC is not mentally well. Besides just being pathetic she sounds delusional. Just please be careful because her obsession with you has gotten so out of hand she sounds dangerous. I am so sorry you have to deal with this crap.

  7. AvatarShandy Moore
    7

    CC and Ann Cremont have to be two of the biggest bitches in the world. And bitch meaning in a cunt way.

    I think that these two women are sad, depressed, and hopeless, and want to portray to the online world, that they are happy and enjoying their lives.

    It’s hard for me to believe that two women with such black hearts could ever be happy. There vile words makes me want to bitch slap the both of them.

    I had problems giving birth to my son- bled alot. Could have died. Thank god, we both came out of it okay. Having problems with fertility or any other problems isn’t something to make fun of.

    You ladies both have families, and for that you ALONE should respect other people. Samhain and EC should drop Ann Cremont-for being a cunt alone.

    And CC-well her family should have her committed, after she dyes that horrible bleach job on her head.

  8. AvatarShayne
    8

    Damn internetz. Such serious business. I call cat macro time.

    I don’t think ‘author being mean’ is a good legal reason for a publisher to ditch an author. That would really look interesting, idiotic could be the term, on court papers.

  9. AvatarSybil
    9

    I don’t have time to read all this right now but the Robin Schone thing… is she getting you mixed up with with she who I will not name or is there something else?

    Sorry hon, the whole thing is just odd. People have repeatedly told me she is really very nice and ’sweet’ in person and they just try to ignore her ‘online persona’. I don’t understand that at all.

    You own your words be it online, in print or in person.

    Whatevs.. on another note why did ‘Cum Hither Global close in the first place?

  10. AvatarRoslyn Holcomb
    10

    That card is one of the most godawful things I’ve ever seen. I know that people often don’t know what to say when someone has fertility issues, but I don’t believe for one moment that card was designed to lift anyone’s spirits. It’s vicious and malicious and is intended to wound.

    There’s something seriously wrong with anyone who would send it.

  11. AvatarNathalie Gray
    11

    That card is vulgar and revolting.

  12. AvatarShandy Moore
    12

    I don’t think ‘author being mean’ is a good legal reason for a publisher to ditch an author. That would really look interesting, idiotic could be the term, on court papers.

    Yes. I knew that when I said Ann Cremont should be dumped. But that was me being wishful and imagining it happening in another world.

  13. AvatarMillie
    13

    Cruciger and Vremont went after Karen, Gennita, Shayne and now Capo (Twin tower references really? THAT huge a crime in your eyes, Ann?). And now Cindy is saying she’s a Federal Agent? What has she been doing, keeping the online community safe from the Vermont Terror?

  14. AvatarTuscan Capo
    14

    I can’t imagine the pain Karen knows by having her personal problems broadcast in such a vicious way. There is no excuse for it, there never will be. But whatever infamy the artist and her friend have gained, they were not the inspiration for my post. If they are as intelligent as they are vengeful then they understand that our primary interest at Pickled Cupid is to spoof the general industry. And if it hasn’t dawned on them already, they should take a look beyond the dark curtains of their self-absorption and realize that the Romance industry offers plenty to spoof about. I didn’t choose C. Cruciger to pick on, and I sure as hell didn’t know anything about her family. She opted to put her son’s name out there in her comment - and that of her FIL- and if these names aren’t bogus, then sorry, that was the totally irresponsible choice she made.

    Karen, I don’t understand why these women have obsessed on you. What is apparent is they’d rather waste hours of their days striking out at their perceived enemies than do anything constructive. I fully believe that as entertaining as they find this activity now, the inevitable day will come when the cruelty and racist slings are going to bite them in the ass.

    Cheers, my friend.

  15. AvatarTuscan Capo
    15

    Millie,
    I believe they targeted that to mock because my wife and my friend, Dick, stuck up for me after Cruciger’s accusation I’m not a decent person. I used to be a police officer and as luck had it I was in the vicinity the day of 9-11. Just as many did for their fellow man, I offered help where and how I could that day. I’m no hero; but when your neighbors need help you do what you can. (In fact, that’s how I first met Peter) Anyway, that’s where the twin towers reference came from.

  16. AvatarMillie
    16

    The scary thing is, in her latest post (in between her hurricane camouflage) has her lamenting that she really, really, really, really WANT TO help us see the truth (hers) and we are blind followers because we can’t see the truth (except she and her friends there) and “can’t snark our way out of a paperbag” (why would I want to sound like her or her friends?).

    Capo, now that I know your background, that “thing” Ann Vermont draw is even more irreprensible. They’re right now even making fun of your name as being some Mafia guy on her blog. Hopefully, they will cool off after they find another target. To them it’s all about teaching people to understand that they aren’t the Mean Ones. Chin up, Capo and the others. They will reach that stage where they will “give up” because woe, the world is against good folks like them, and one day, bad things will happen to their enemies and then they can all celebrate. They do look forward to such nice things.

  17. AvatarBonnie L.
    17

    The funny thing is that I didn’t know a thing about your fertility issues until they brought it up. I’ve been reading your blog on a regular basis since I discovered DA, SBs and you a couple of years ago. From what I understand, in order to discover this information out, you would actually have to wade through years worth of posts all the way back to the beginning. Who has the time or inclination to do that? (I care more about what you have to say now than what you might have said years ago)

  18. AvatarTuscan Capo
    18

    My Dad gave me that nickname, Millie. There were already six daughters when I was born and Dad said I’d have to be a tough little Capo to survive a house full of women. As I really dislike my first name my friends still call me that. In retrospect, my sisters were all fantastic to me. I was nearly smothered with affection, even if I did have to attend more “tea parties” than most boys LOL

  19. AvatarNora Roberts
    19

    Finding humor in infertility and now in 9-11?

    If this is how CC&Co get their kicks, I’m very happy CC was unable to ‘help’ me see the truth, if that’s indeed her current spin.

  20. AvatarBernita
    20

    Karen, you have my sympathy.
    This is just ugly pathological spite.

  21. AvatarGhetto Diva
    21

    This from CC’s horrid blog:

    If you want to “get ghetto” on me, I am IN the book and easy to find. Knock yourselves out. I should probably give you a heads up (because I’m a nice person that way) that making threats against a family member of a Federal Agent is a felony so if you DO contact me, keep it sort of civil and if you want to make physical threats you’d better follow up quickly, because you won’t have a lot of time to make good on them.

    oh Puleeze- Let me school you on something. Getting ghetto on you CC, if done appropriately would make it very difficult for the “Federal Agents” to find. And that’s if any “Federal Agent” would waste time on an idiot like you who deserves to get bitched slapped.

    And to Ann Cremont the sick ass who writes;

    I’ll still be here putting the FUN in DYSFUNCTIONAL

    Crawl back to the hole you came from.

  22. AvatarRowena
    22

    I like a good laugh just like the next person but I fail to see how joking about anyone not being able to conceive a child with their loved one as funny.

    ..and I most definitely am not saying this because you’ve got me brainwashed or anything, Karen.

  23. AvatarDorothy Mantooth
    23

    ..and I most definitely am not saying this because you’ve got me brainwashed or anything, Karen.

    I love Karen.
    She is much better than Cats.
    I’m going to read her again and again…

    (Or am I the only one who remembers that?)

    Seriously, this is just not funny anymore, it’s pathological. And the cards and cartoons are disgusting.

  24. AvatarDee Tenorio
    24

    Karen, you know I loves ya. And God knows, I don’t have the fortitude to deal with The C&A Bullshit Factory, but I do worry what engaging her will do to you.

    Awful people stain the people around them with their vileness and it seeps into your real life. You’re a funny person. You have many many things to enjoy and laugh about. You’re strong in the face of some trying emotional trials and you have someone with you who supports you and loves you and shares those trials with you. You make other people laugh by sharing your viewpoints. That’s why I come here most every day. Because I enjoy you and your confidence and your expressive ways.

    Don’t let Cindy take that from you by giving her one ounce of your time or energy. Be angry, sure. Bad things really should happen to people like that and maybe they will. But slough it off because the truth is she’s a big black hole. You’re not going to fill her up to shut her up. Nothing will. And feeding her will just take the goodness out of you.

    All the best.
    Dee

  25. AvatarHelenKay Dimon
    25

    I feel like I stepped back into 7th grade. The postcard is hurtful and juvenile - and those are the nicest things I can say about it and the person who sent it. Twelve years as a divorce lawyer I’ve seen some nasty things. That’s nasty. I find it hard to believe the sender can’t see that or in any way thinks she can justify it.

    Karen, I’m sorry. Really. There’s just no excuse for this. As for going to war, don’t bother. It will suck the life out of you. It’s not worth it.

  26. AvatarJulie Leto
    26

    Karen, I agree with HelenKay. You’ve already won this war. I would run screaming in the other direction if approached by either of these two, but you, I’d buy a beer.

    That whole “I’m protecting other authors” thing just bugs me to no end. Guess what? I’m a BIG girl. If Karen ever decides to call me a fucktard or tell me my books suck donkey bollocks, I can take care of myself.

  27. AvatarEva Gale
    27

    I was very serious about calling her husband.

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&case=/data2/circs/1st/951843.html

    See that down there-David Cruciger? That’s Cindy’s husband. He’s the highest decorated Federal Agent. For real. No lying. Cindy is her real name. With a husband who is REQUIRED to wear gun at all times, even standing next to the President, do you really think she needs to lie about her name?

  28. AvatarKaren Scott
    28
    Author Comment

    Eva, you should call him. I mean that, PLEASE call him.

  29. AvatarJane
    29

    Dude. I didn’t know being the wife of a “federal agent” gave me immunity from a) legal liability and b) being an asshole. I totally missed that section. Robin, you come across that in your studies?

    And HelenKay, I think that saying its so 7th grade is an insult to 7th graders. Surely, the “If you keep being mean to me, I’m going to tell my daddy and his boss will kick your ass” taunt is one that only the five and under set give now a days, right?

  30. AvatarGhetto Diva
    30

    See that down there-David Cruciger? That’s Cindy’s husband. He’s the highest decorated Federal Agent. For real. No lying. Cindy is her real name. With a husband who is REQUIRED to wear gun at all times, even standing next to the President, do you really think she needs to lie about her name?

    Call him! Maybe you can explain to him what a pure grade A Asshole Cindy Cruciger is. Maybe you can also explain to him how she spends her time online, insulting other people, and how much of an evil bitch she truly is. Hey-also throw Ann Vremont’s name in there. Perhaps, he knows her as well.

  31. AvatarEva Gale
    31

    No, it’s not Cindy saying it. She’s blowing it all off. She thinks you’re all funny as hell and mostly sad. But here’s the thing, she was physically threatened. Now she may not think anything of that, but I do, and although I know she’s blowing it off, I’m betting her husband won’t. Especially since Ghetto Diva mentioned RT, and Dave knows she goes every year.

    Jane, with all of your brilliant skills of deduction I would think you would actually take the few minutes it might take to find him. He’s been written about, and knowing all you do about research it should be pretty easy for you.

  32. AvatarJane
    32

    Eva, Why should I find him? Why do you think I care about David Cruciger? Let me quote the should be immortal line of Positive K “What’s your Man go to do with me?”

  33. AvatarGhetto Diva
    33

    No, it’s not Cindy saying it. She’s blowing it all off. She thinks you’re all funny as hell and mostly sad. But here’s the thing, she was physically threatened. Now she may not think anything of that, but I do, and although I know she’s blowing it off, I’m betting her husband won’t. Especially since Ghetto Diva mentioned RT, and Dave knows she goes every year.

    Oh please! Blow it out your ass Eva. No one spoke about dragging her away and doing harm to her. Yes! She deserves to be bitch slapped for her words. But one smack isn’t exactly “a planned threat”. Would it make you feel better if I just threw an apple at her head from across the room and dived under the table for cover?

  34. AvatarThrowmearope
    34

    Gee, my hubby is a veterinarian. Maybe he could sic a cyber dog on CC and AV.

    I would love to see his face if somebody interrupted him at work to tell him I’m a big meanie on the internet.

  35. AvatarShayne
    35

    Eva,

    Jesus H. Christ, that man has a very serious job, and all of you are dragging him into an internet flame war? There are no words. For real. No lying.

  36. AvatarAztecLady
    36

    I probably should die from fright before posting this but… ah well.

    Translating Eva Gale’s comments, this is what I get: “You all are being being mean to the wife of a man who carries a gun. I’m gonna tell him. He’s not going to like it. You should be afraid. Very afraid.”

    Me: huh?

  37. AvatarKaren Scott
    37
    Author Comment

    I just posted another example of Ann Vremont’s artwork. I think she did this one last summer if I’m not mistaken. The captions are…interesting. Click on picture for bigger image.

  38. AvatarHolly
    38

    There just really are no words. I mean, I’ve kind of rolled my eyes over the whole KS/CC thing the last year or so (I still have absolutely NO idea where it all started) but that “card” is just..beyond the beyond in wrong. There are certain places you just don’t go, and that’s one of them.

    As for the “He carries a big gun, watch out now” card..well, ok. I bet he’s not the only guy in the world who carries a gun. And if, as a decorated Federal Agent (if he really is), he’s seriously using it to threaten people from the interwebs whom his wife engages in flame wars…well, I’m thinking that isn’t the type of protection I want from my federal government.

    Just a thought.

  39. AvatarShayne
    39

    Holly,

    Just on a sane note, I truly doubt it would be him. Threatening people over a internet flame war with one’s wife would get anybody fired. No matter the job.

    One gets from Eva’s post–Cindy is ignoring, Eva is bringing up with the hubby with a gun. OH NOES.

  40. AvatarCindy Cruciger
    40

    Ghetto Diva - That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed. The first one was too vague. Thank you for clarifying. That heads up was a sincere courtesy. I don’t know you and I wish you no ill, but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent. For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow. When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review. I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Jane - It’s not a liability issue. That’s just a silly thing to say. You are smarter than that. The smell of blood has made you high. But don’t let that stop you from becoming an instant authority on everything they teach at Glenco and Quantico. Not knowing what you are talking about hasn’t ever stopped you in the past. There aren’t many people around who would know you were wrong and you are safe with me.

    On the card thing - For reasons that are absolutely none of anyone’s business, I should not have been able to have children and it was not easy. That card, in those dark days would have cracked me the hell up - especially from Ann. That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later.

    Your opinions are exactly THAT. You are not the gods of what is funny. You don’t own it. From my perspective, none of you (with the exception of MJD & Eva - neither of whom should be here) has a sense of humor.

    Shayne - You are an idiot. Dave would absolutely want to know what is going on here, but for reasons that are ALSO none of your business, I will just let the geeks in DC do their thing and decide what they want to do with the threats.

    Even though everything there is to know about me is available via google, none of you knows anything at all about me because you use Karen Scott as your source of information. She has no name. You know nothing about her. And yet, you believe everything she says. That’s your perogative, of course, but some of you - the lucid ones possibly - might want to fact check her every once in awhile.

    Now. Obviously you will all say whatever it amuses you to say, but I am sincere when I say, that I am done. I raised the white flag. You are too crazy, even for me - and that is no small achievement on your part. Twist that however you like.

  41. AvatarCJ England
    41

    Karen, you have my sympathies. That card is beyond belief and I can’t imagine how anyone could think it funny.

  42. AvatarShayne
    42

    Too easy, not worth it.

  43. AvatarGhetto Diva
    43

    Ghetto Diva - That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed. The first one was too vague. Thank you for clarifying. That heads up was a sincere courtesy. I don’t know you and I wish you no ill, but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent. For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow. When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review. I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Oh blow it out your ass to Cindy. If throwing an apple at your head is an offense, I’ll be the first to turn myself in.

  44. AvatarBernita
    44

    Excuse me, but there’s real war going on out there, with real bombs and bullets and IED’s, and there are real terrorists and assassins, so I am bemused by the omnious idea that the government will seriously investigate “the direct threat” of… an apple.

  45. AvatarEmma Petersen
    45

    Le sigh. Now we’re getting husbands and the government involved?

    Like Bernita said, THERE IS A REAL WAR going on and the US government is going to use its much needed resources because Mrs. Cruciger feels threatened AFTER initiating the incident to begin with?

    Shame on you. As a woman whose husband is a government official in these incredible tense times you should know better. Doesn’t your husband have enough stress to deal with without having to fight your juvenile battles?

  46. AvatarNora Roberts
    46

    ~That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later. ~

    And you know she’s lying because you, what . . . have access to her medical files? You KNOW she’s lying, AND you know her motivations for doing so because you’re psychic?

    The cards and the gleeful comments regarding them were, to most people, a very nasty business. Maybe having some poster comment that you need a bitch-slap, or how about an apple tossed at you is a serious physical threat to you. Maybe it sincerely is. But it’s really tough to get that when making fun of a woman’s infertility, and snarking on 9-11 are a big, funny joke in your world.

    I know women who’ve been unable to conceive, or who have suffered miscarriages. I know none, absolutely none, who would have gotten a laugh if sent that card. None.

    I know people who were involved in 9-11, who were right there in the nightmare of it. None of them–none–would be amused by the card relating to it.

    It appears your sense of humor and injustice is much different from the majority of the posters here.

  47. AvatarJane
    47

    So wait, Karen’s blogging about her health is an evil tool to get people to reveal information that she then uses later against them? And the DC peeps are combing your site to ensure that threats of apple throwing and bitch slapping are investigated thoroughly? I mean, I knew that there was a lot of incompetence in the current administration but I never thought that it was carried out to this level.

  48. AvatarNora Roberts
    48

    Jesus Christ, AV is severely fucked-up. Just no other way to describe someone who’d spend time putting that kind of ‘art’ together.

  49. AvatarShayne
    49

    Anyway, I responded to her comments, because gone are the days when I simply yawn and move on. If you want to read my response, you can do so over on Pickled Cupid.

    Karen, honestly you might want to rethink that. All I’m getting here is somebody saying the most outrageous, stupid thing they can to get a reaction. Just to see who is idiot enough to react. She’s not even serious. Taking her seriously makes everybody look ridiculous.
    *shrugs*

    I know it’s your blog, but like I said. Too easy, not worth it. That’s about all I’m gonna comment.

  50. AvatarNora Roberts
    50

    Yes, please ban all apple throwing immediately, and any suggestion of bitch-slapping should bring down of rain of Feds. Let’s all go chuckle at the devestation of 9-11, and make sport of those who died there or risked their lives to save others.

    And while we’re at it, let’s have a good belly-laugh over the amusing subject of infertility.

  51. AvatarNora Roberts
    51

    ~All I’m getting here is somebody saying the most outrageous, stupid thing they can to get a reaction.~

    Honestly, I get where you’re coming from. But that’s Logical World. I don’t think that’s it in this case.

  52. AvatarMacbeth
    52

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall when the feds search this blog, and find that the wife of one of their most decorated men has been acting like an asshole on the net. I can practically hear the sniggers in the locker rooms now. Somebody should send the link to one of the major dailies. The headline would read something like, WIFE OF BUSH PROTECTOR LINKED WITH CYBER TERRORISM or even better, WIFE OF BUSH PROTECTOR LAUGHS AT VICTIMS OF 9/11.

  53. AvatarSybil
    53

    I can no more stop them from looking you over now than I can stop them from monitoring me. I am not afraid OF you, I am afraid FOR you. I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    Ok I have been on the internet waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too long and see too many fandom flamewars and I have to say THAT is the bestest evah.

    If you are really married to someone who has people from his place of employment watching the shit you do I would say I feel really sorry for him. But hell he married you, LOL guy has to be the office joke. If there is a guy. If he is really a fed and all that.

  54. AvatarShayne
    54

    Well, Nora, getting people to actually comment because she says a federal agent is interested in this and the govt too? How many people really do live that far in la la land? Not as many as like to pretend to.

    That was a direct threat. It’s all I needed.

    How many would seriously claim (with a straight face) a threat to bitch slap or throw an apple qualifies as a serious direct threat?

    Convincing people she really means that, and getting them to comment on it, is a mean feat if you ask me. *L*

    Might just be me though.

  55. AvatarNora Roberts
    55

    ~How many people really do live that far in la la land~

    No, indeed, not too many. Fortunately.

    I absolutely agree with you on the principle. I just honestly believe this particular person–and those who support her/egg her on–are the exception.

    She is PISSED, so the bitch-slap/apple toss is much more a deal to her than the viciousness of ugly-minded poser art.

    In 99 out of 100 cases I’d say, yes, she’s just winding Karen and the rest of us up. But I believe she’s very serious.

  56. AvatarGhetto Diva
    56

    She is PISSED, so the bitch-slap/apple toss is much more a deal to her than the viciousness of ugly-minded poser art.

    Exactly. My intention from the get go. And being within miles from 9/11 when it happened, my comment was intended to hit bullseye. And it did.

    I can now sleep tonight. LOL :-)

  57. AvatarShayne
    57

    I’ll leave better minds than mine to it. Have fun all.

  58. AvatarJenns
    58

    Personally I think they’re enjoying the attention too much.
    I really don’t think they’re worth the time or effort, but I am sorry that you’ve had to put up with so much sick garbage from them, Karen.
    People like that are truly their own worst enemies.

  59. AvatarAnon
    59

    Perhaps CC should get down from her demented high horse long enough to think about these petty threats of hers and making them, oh, slightly more believable.

    I’d imagine the US government would more take exception to her befriending a person that laughs about terrorism and ridicules one of the largest American tragedies of the last 50 years than to someone talking about throwing apples.

    Furthermore, the so-called “threats” against family members of Federal Agents must, as someone already pointed out, be designed ““with the intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with” such Federal official “while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against” such Federal official.”

    Justified anger at the woman being an asshole doesn’t qualify.

  60. AvatarTuscan Capo
    60

    From Mrs. Cruciger’s site:
    Tate: “Capo is an Italian captain in the mob”
    .
    Me: Seriously? They are pretending to be mafia? *shaking head* What kind of idiot goes online and pretends to be a captain of the cosa nostra? “

    Only an idiot would, Mrs. C. I never did. Arrested a few lowlifes in that “business”, but never once claimed to be in it. I have absolutely no interest in anything that vile. If you quoted as well as you trawl maybe people wouldn’t find you so laughable. To reiterate, my father gave me the nickname as a child. Dick and I served in the military together and that’s all he meant by “the call”. For the love of god, stop twisting eels out of rope.

  61. Avatarvanessa jaye
    61

    That artwork is beyond vile.

    I’m with Dee here, ignoring her/them might not have worked as well as you would of liked, but engaging her promises to be a downward spiral of ugliness.

  62. AvatarJenn
    62

    I am away for awhile and all hell breaks loose. Karen you do not have to defend yourself or anything else to someone who obviously has mental problems and other issues.

    So how are you?

  63. Avatarlinda
    63

    that artwork, words fail. As a woman who tried all the fertility clinic heartbreak, it insults and hurts so many people AV. It shows you as a complete cunt. CC, I throw a kilo of cyber apples at your fucked up head. Does your husband ever take you out in public, let alone any work events? You must be the biggest liabilty to his career and if others in his department are tracking this, he is a laughing stock at work. You must be so goddamned proud.
    Karen, go for it, express all your rage and disbelief. After all this is YOUR blog. Why am I so angry at the absolute cuntery of cc and av? I can’t even imagine how you feel.

  64. AvatarRoslyn Holcomb
    64

    Several years ago when I lost my first baby somebody sent me ‘art’ of dead fetuses. This was a truly deranged individual who stalked me for several years. I honestly didn’t think I’d ever encounter anyone so clearly insane again. I made every effort to distance myself from the type sites where I first encountered him. It never occurred to me that I’d see equal fucknuttery on a romance blog.

  65. Avatarsallahdog
    65

    ok… I admit it, I tend to find these kerfluffles amusing… but dudes… involving husbands? I can just imagine telling my husband about someone calling me a shit on the internet and saying I needed a bitchslapping (which I would probably have deserved a time or two)…He would look at me and ask me if this was a menopause thing kicking in and if there were others hopping on the delusion train…

    Come on folks.No need to bring in the husbands, they already think we are wacky for giving a shite about what someone across the country who has never seen us face to face thinks about us…

    And playing the “OOHHH I am a victim and so now I am going to slam the crap out of you by drawing stupid pictures?…. kinda lame… whats next, prank phone calls and tying her gym clothes in knots? Ben gay in her underwear?

    Please.. fight with a little more skill.

  66. AvatarMonica
    66

    The attacks to someone’s vulnerability over something they can’t control are foul. And for what? I don’t get it.

    I cannot see any what anybody could possibly gain out of such meanness.

  67. AvatarGrrrly
    67

    An economy swiftly going down the crapper, gas and food prices on the rise, along with unemployment, thousands losing their homes to foreclosure, an unpopular war with no end in sight, 16% and growing of americans without adequate health care, the worst national image in, well, just about ever.

    Yeah, I can see how David Cruciger’s Pookie Bear getting her ass handed to her on teh interwebs would rank right up there on the go’ment’s list of current crises.

    Honestly, how do people live with this kind of daily bile without choking on it? And does wishing they literally would count as a threat? Wouldn’t want to get myself in trouble with all the feebs monitoring Karen’s blog. *insert eyeroll*

  68. AvatarMaria
    68

    So I’m a long time lurker of this blog. I absolutely love the snark and book reviews. Not even the few negative posts on my e-publisher bother me too much. I’m open-minded enough to see both sides–and sometimes Karen’s is right. I totally agreed with Karen during the kerfuffle with a certain author with my pub who refused to quit harping on another author and her use of a pseudonym….

    Other than the Smart Bitches, this is one of the few blogs I can count on for a good laugh. These days I need all the laughs I can get. I’m 24 and my ovaries are not only failing, they’re also covered in cysts. I’m married to the love of my life, and my body is crappin’ out on me. So you can imagine how I felt when I clicked on yesterday morning and read that horrid “ovary bunny” card. How anyone could think that’s funny is beyond me. It stuck with me all day. It’s sick and wrong and so unbelievably painful. My deepest sympathies to you, Karen, for having to read that absolute crap.

    As to the matter of involving one’s husband in such petty nonsense, well, that’s CC’s marriage, her business. I can’t imagine he’ll be happy to have been dragged into this. How embarassing!

  69. AvatarMisty G
    69

    PCOS sucks. It’s not funny, even coming from a close friend. Ever. And if that “friend” thought a photo like the Bunny photo would make me laugh, I’d have to say that the “friend” didn’t know me very well.

    It’s sort of like when a “friend” tries to make you feel better by saying, “Oh you’re lucky you don’t have kids because they’re a bunch of trouble anyway.” Cuz you know, that’s going to make me feel like I got off easy in life for not being able to ovulate. I doubt any good parent would wish away a moment of their child’s life just to have an easier one for themselves.

    I don’t feel sorry for Karen, I don’t feel sorry for myself, or anyone else with the same or similar problem. I do get offended when I see that particular subject made light of by people who find excuses to be morally bankrupt. Cruciger and her friends can try the “Oh, but we get offended when Karen picks on authors so it’s the same thing” excuse, but it’s not. It never will be.

    If you are going to whine about someone giving authors a hard time, stick to the topic. Keep the husband, baby, lack of baby, parents, military history, eating habits, etc.. out of it.

    The truth is, they couldn’t argue their points with rational humor, so they have to resort to being irrational. It’s the only way they can keep the attention on themselves.

  70. AvatarKaren Scott
    70
    Author Comment

    You truly can’t help yourself can you Cindy Cruciger?

    I don’t know you and I wish you no ill,

    Liar.

    but it is absolutely a felony to make threats against the family members of a Federal Agent.

    Should family members of a federal agent be telling everybody that they are family members of a federal agent?

    Because let’s face it Cindy Cruciger, nobody here probably knew, and more to the point, they probably didn’t care.

    Being the wife of a federal agent, surely you should be more circumspect, for the sake of your husband if nothing else anyway?

    For almost ten years my blogs and websites have been crawled by US Govt computers and where I go online, they follow.

    Oh Lord, for shame. You mean those guys have seen, firsthand, what an arsehole you are? I wouldn’t be bragging about that if I were you.

    I’d suggest that they would be more concerned with your highly toxic pal, ‘Ann Vremont’, than anybody on here. I hear she has a slightly shady history herself.

    When your husband has a security clearance to stand next to the president with a gun, the entire family is subject to constant security review.

    They may have told you that it was for your own protection, but I bet it’s because they want to make sure the wife of one of their own, doesn’t go batshit crazy. Talk about stable door and horse huh? You are already crazy, and if the feds are truly crawling all over your blog, I’m betting that they know it already, and are laughing their tits off at your antics. Your poor hubby.

    I recommend you back down and refrain from saying anything further.

    And I recommend you go and try to find your marbles, seeing as you’ve clearly lost them. But we can’t have everything in life can we?

    You’re such a hypocritical bitch Cindy Cruciger, you started this, and now you’re crying ‘woe is me, they’re out to get me’ all over your blog. I’m happy to ignore you forever, but I can’t as long as you’re mentioning my name every two minutes. Stick to your part of the blogosphere, and I’ll stick to mine. If you don’t, then I wont. It truly is as simple as that.

    The smell of blood has made you high.

    And the smell of your own shit has made you delusional.

    Not knowing what you are talking about hasn’t ever stopped you in the past.

    Nor you, apparently, because you’re constantly talking out of your arse.

    For reasons that are absolutely none of anyone’s business, I should not have been able to have children and it was not easy…

    That’s why I take personal exception to Karen lying about her own “condition” in order to gain false sympathy and dirt on people to use later.

    Do you see the irony in those two statements Cindy Cruciger? Probably not, seeing as you seem to lack basic comprehension skills.

    Your opinions are exactly THAT. You are not the gods of what is funny

    Oh I’m sorry, did you think this was supposed to be funny? How dumb are you, anyway?

    You are too crazy, even for me

    Nice twist, Bitch Interrupted. Your obsessions drove you to where you are today, and the blog readers on here are the crazy ones? You’ve been hanging out with that vile dickhead, Ann Vremont for too long. Her brand of craziness was bound to rub off on you sooner or later. Although, admittedly, you only needed a slight prod to fall into the loony water.

    You should do yourself a favour, and fuck off from my blog. Focus your energies on the things that really matter, and stop trying to wage wars you have no hope of winning, yes?

    There’s a good Mean