If so, then yes, you are sick, but I suspect that your eunuch was probably a fictional character.

As much as I hate BDSM, heavy or otherwise, as long as they don’t involve the penned mutilation and murder of a real person, have at it.

This isn’t about sub-genres that I don’t like, it’s about the infringement of people’s basic human right to feel safe from harm.

I don’t give a rats arse about made up stories about fictional characters,I think that fan ficcers who write about real people getting it on are slightly strange, but that’s the kind of world we live in, however writing about the rape and murder of real people isn’t just about my personal objection, it’s tantamount to actual mental abuse.

I wouldn’t sleep for a year if I discovered a site dedicated to my mutilation and murder, and as a human being, why should I have to go through that kind of totally unnecessary stress, when the perps can get away with it by claiming free speech?

Also, the label of “sick” is a poor choice for extreme fictional material. I’ve written romance involving a eunuch. Does that count as sick?

It seems to me that most of the people here who are bothered by the article Karen referenced aren’t so much bothered by fan fic elements. If he was just writing a story about how he wooed and seduced each one of them and then went on to woo and seduce the next girl band, I wouldn’t care.

I’m bothered because it involved him kidnapping, raping, mutilating and murdering the members of that girl band.

There is a clear line here-this scenario involves fictionalized harm against actual people.

Unless your story is centered around an actual person and you fictionalized how he was made a eunuch, there is no similarity here.

Big difference between some fan fic writers writing up stories about Boromir and Aragorn getting on, and some pervert~yes, I think he is a pervert and a deranged one, writing up a story how he kidnapped, mutilated, raped and murdered a couple of girls. Again, no similarity.

It’s not so much the fan fiction that bothers me-it’s the sheer violence and perversion that goes into somebody writing up a story where he’s fantasizing about kidnapping, raping, mutilating, and murdering some women-real women, not characters from a show.

I have nothing against the romance genre at all and, in fact, count many romance authors, past and present, among my friends and relatives. I don’t mock, discredit, or piss on romance. It’s a genre that doesn’t get nearly the respect it deserves.

I think you are taking my disagreements with some individuals and using that to make a ridiculously sweeping assumption about my views. Just because I’ve disagreed with a female writer of ebook slash doesn’t mean I hate women and romances.

There are mystery authors that I’ve loudly and publicly disagreed with, too — does that mean that I hate men and mysteries?

I do, however, mock, discredit and generally piss all over the sad, pathetic people, male and female alike, who write Real People Slash, a genre I do mock, discredit and generally piss all over.

Lee

I see almost no difference between some studio-created romance between 1940s stars, a 16 Magazine fictionalized day in the life of a 70s boy band (documented with pictures, but totally posed), and a fan writing a story about Sir Ian and Patric Stewart holding hands over tea to get into character.

The internet did not create this stuff. It just gives it wider distribution.

Also, the label of “sick” is a poor choice for extreme fictional material. I’ve written romance involving a eunuch. Does that count as sick?

Where do you draw the line? Heavy BDSM? Gang-rape? (Do we ban Last Exit to Brooklyn?) Gory Death? (We can write off the whole horror genre and most of the mystery)

Or does the “sick” only apply to those who write about doing it to “real people?” Why is it acceptable to write about Andy Dufresne being assaulted in prison if it’s not acceptable to write about OJ Simpson being assaulted in prison?

Fiction is not a crime. Not yet. Although it seems there are some who would make it so.

@Lee:
You may have left out pronouns, but all the imagery you chose was female. I don’t know any men who collect unicorns or cats. And you know as well as anyone that 90% of fanfiction is produced by women, 99% for slash.

Yes, because men are *so* often talked about in terms of numbers of cats and unicorn figurines owned. Fandom and the romance genre are highly gendered spaces. Highly gendered toward women. And lately they are your favorite stopping grounds to discredit, mock, and generally piss all over.

As far as I know, I wasn’t describing a woman. My description was intentionally sex-neutral. I think your interpretation says more about your prejudices than any that you think that I might have.

Lee

You’ve been called out already on the fact that a lot of your fannish protest (and mocking of pro romance e-books) is sexist in nature, which you have completely denied is the truth. Now RPS, whether a tangent of fandom or not (it was a tangent of the fandoms I was involved with), is mocked by you as being written by crazy cat lady losers. Good going on setting that accusation straight. :p

For every tv show, every movie, ever Twilight type bestseller, there’s a fandom. I don’t know, nor do I care, what those fandoms do or say or think. They’re not me and they’re not my fandoms. Fandom in general frowns upon RPF. Of course that’s in general, not in total, and clearly there’s people who write it. Whether writing about an actor having sex with another is on par with writing about killing and torturing an actor…well, I can’t see them as equal, sorry.

It’s one thing to sit in the privacy of your apartment with your cats and your collection of unicorn figurines and daydream about Leonardo DiCaprio teaching the Jonas Brothers how to give each other blowjobs…it’s another thing to write about it and post it all over the Internet.

My opinion, though, while this doesn’t appeal to me, no matter whose name you sub in, this scenario doesn’t depict anything bringing harm to the characters involved. Unless it’s involving force, which translates to rape. Rape=bad. This is fictionalized, personalized violence.

When the fic involves scenarios where actual people are being harmed, raped, mutilated, castrated, HARMED-that crosses a line, IMO.