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I can’t tell you how thoroughly disgusted I was when I found out that the woman who gave birth to eight babies, already had six children. Children, that her parents were already looking after. Also she was on welfare, and could barely afford to raise the kids she already had.

It is unclear how Ms Suleman’s family will be able to help care for them, given that they recently filed for bankruptcy and abandoned their home. It was revealed yesterday that Ms Suleman had previously received about $165,000 (€127,000) in disability payments between 2002 and 2008.

She has insisted that she will not take government welfare. “I know I’ll be able to afford them when I’m done with my schooling,” Ms Suleman said.

It was confirmed that Ms Suleman had hired a publicist and was reportedly seeking up to $2m for her story.

She’s gonna need every penny of that $2m to look after all those children.

Talk about beyond selfish. She also admitted to breaking infertility treatment rules by having six embryos implanted in her womb. You’d think that the doctor would have at least known better.

I was also equally shocked to find out that her first six kids were all conceived through fertility treatment. So no father in the picture, and she still decides to go for broke again.

What the hell is wrong with some people?

Listen, I understand the desperate desire to have a child, but surely after the first six, she should have been satisfied? And even if she does want ten million kids, shouldn’t she able to at least be able to provide for them?

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  • Mireya
    February 12
    11:23 am

    No, all she cared about was getting what she wanted and what she wanted was more puppies… erm, children. Did you see the interview or the pictures from the interview? She looks like she had botox injected in her lips to look like Angelina Jolie. As to the puppies comment, I say it that way because a lot of people treat having children and caring for them as no different than getting a pet. Anyone can do it, right?

    The doctor that went ahead with the procedure is into fertility treatments for the money, not to help people. I suspect he was thinking “If this takes, this is going to make me a celebrity… and a multimillionaire”. There are TONS of doctors out there that only care about the yachts and the cars and the status money will give them.

    All I have to say is that $2 million with a brood like hers will go … and quick. I still remember when my sisters had their children how much the diapers alone cost, and that without including food and clothing. Even if she uses cloth diapers, the washing loads are going to be HUGE, that costs money in terms of utilities. Plus some can get so soiled that they would need to get replaced. Or if she gets a service to clean them for her, she will still have to pay for the service.

    I am sure she didn’t think at all. All she knew was that she wanted more puppies. Period. And I am sure she didn’t expect the negative backlash she’s getting for being the irresponsible, inconsiderate, selfish biatch that she is. And no, I don’t care if I am sounding harsh. The only people I feel sad about in this very ugly picture of human selfishness at its worse are those 14 kids… and of those 14, there are a couple that are already facing some disability issues and the octuplets are bound to face health complications in the future from having been born prematurely, which will compound the financial aspect of this huge mess. I feel very sad for those babies indeed. I just hope they don’t feel neglected on top of everything else. Granny didn’t seem very happy … I wonder why…

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  • Mireya, I think your puppy analogy is PERFECT. There is a mental condition that causes people to hoard animals…I think she has a variation when it comes to children. Her publicist (um…how can she afford a publicist? I can’t afford a publicist!) was on Dr. Phil yesterday, along with a bioethicist, a fertility doctor (not hers, but another one) and a pediatrician. The woman is there to try and get money. Dr. Phil tried to explain to her that people in this economy might not be sharing their $$ because they think what the woman did was wrong and that Nadya needs professional help, but she wouldn’t acknowledge that in any way.

    They all agreed (though the doctor was reluctant) that her doctor was just as negligent, if not more so, by implanting the six embryos. The publicist kept saying, “Well, her clinical history showed that six embryos would only result in one, maybe two live births.” That may be, but the possibility of having all six (or in her case, eight, because two of the embryos split into twins) existed. Why was she having even ONE more baby? She had six, three who are disabled. She has no job! She’s using student loans to pay for living expenses…but isn’t in school? Is that fair to all the kids who CAN’T get student loans?

    Here’s the thing: if someone puts those babies up for adoption or they were taken by the state and a guardian was appointed to oversee those kids, then yeah, I’d probably give. But I cannot give money to a woman that I believe is mentally ill. I fear for the lives of those babies.

    They had Kate Gosslien on as well (of Jon & Kate Plus Eight) and she said she was terrified for the children. Anyone who watched the show knows that Kate is an extremely strong, extremely well organized woman. Her husband is a huge help and has a good job. She said, diplomatically, but she said it, that she fears for this woman because while a support system is nice, the mother has to have the fortitude to take the lead and this Nadya woman clearly doesn’t have the stuff.

    I don’t think the family (grandparents) have lost their home or filed bankruptcy yet. It is, however, a possibility. But why should they have to simply because their daughter is crazy? Because clearly, she has problems.

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  • Those poor, poor babies. And the poor tax payers of California who will be paying for all those children for the next 18 years.

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  • Fae
    February 12
    1:01 pm

    What no one has explained and is soooo fishy to me is…how did this unemployed woman pay for so many IVF treatments in the first place? They’re *ridiculously* expensive from what my infertile friends tell me, so…who paid for hers? There’s no way her disability payments covered it, she doesn’t have a job, she doesn’t have a husband with a job…but no one’s answered that question. It’s not like IVF is something you can just do on a whim like going to McDonalds. It’s costs thousands of dollars! Thousands of dollars lots of *employed* people don’t have to spare. So how did this unemployed woman with 6 kids already, afford to pay for those treatments?

    I don’t care if people want to have litters. What I care about is not being forced to pay for those litters as a taxpayer. Have as many as you want if you can afford to support them, but don’t have a shit-ton of kids and then act like anyone owes you anything for it.

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  • She already has a website up asking for donations. (I guess TLC wasn’t as interested in offering her a deal as she thought they might be? [/sarcasm])

    http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

    I’m just going to ditto what everyone else in this comment thread has said.

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  • In 2008, Suleman returned to the same doctor. It was Suleman’s decision to have all the remaining six embryos left over after her previous IVF treatments implanted despite being told that for a woman her age, the recommended guideline limit was two.[23] A part of her reasoning for attempting a sixth successful pregnancy was so that the frozen embryos wouldn’t be destroyed.

    From her wiki page

    Suleman is receiving $490 a month in food stamps along with disability payments for three of her six previous children.

    She got married in 1996 and separated by 2000 and divorced by 2008. So she spent more time living away from her husband than with him for the length of the marriage.

    Suleman had been living with her children and parents in a small three-bedroom house in Whittier, California. The Suleman’s parents filed for bankruptcy claiming nearly $1 million in liabilities and abandoned another home in late 2007. $1 million in liabilities??? Maybe that is where the money came from for the IVF treatments.

    Oh and get this, she tried to legally have her name changed to the sperm donors. A man she never met.

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  • all I can think of is the FIRST six kids, especially the oldest, watching that horrible interview and thinking “I wasn’t enough to love? WE weren’t enough to love, all six of us so you have to go have MORE?”

    the woman is clearly in need of major counselling. And the kids need to be taken away into foster care, assessed (how about the autistic one? is HE getting decent care? and the other two with “learning disabilities?) and placed with parents who don’t have such screwed-up lives.

    this is a disaster waiting to happen if they let her take those kids home.

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  • MB (Leah)
    February 12
    2:12 pm

    Fae- she told Ann Curry that she made the money for the IVF by working non stop at three jobs or something like that and that she saved every penny for it. Also that she figures she spent over $100,000 doing it.

    Who knows really.

    Personally, I want to know where the Dr.’s culpability is in this. Apparently, he’s the same doc who did her first IVF so he was well aware of her already existing 6 children. And as a professional I think it was part his responsibility to take into account or note of her mental state and capability to care for these children in all of this. JMHO

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  • I wonder where she got the money for the plastic surgery? This whole situation is sick.

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  • I’m so sad for those poor babies–and the older six siblings.

    I read that this woman is studying (when, exactly?) to be a counselor, to “help families”–and I wonder who would ever want to be counseled by someone who is so clearly mentally unstable herself.

    Fourteen children, single, living with/off her own parents, hasn’t finished school nor has a well paying job…

    Dear Lord, those poor children!

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  • I’m thinking some sort of psychological testing should be done with IVF before you implant 6 embryos in ANY body. Those poor children indeed. The story gets more horrific day by day.

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  • MichelleR
    February 12
    3:21 pm

    The grandmother says she’s the caregiver and that the daughter doesn’t help her financially. She feeds the current children in shifts, with special time given to an autistic child and calls her daughter’s decision unconscionable.

    I hope the doctor is never allowed to practice again. I can’t imagine anyone spending 5 minutes with this woman and not knowing she is tad-loopy.

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  • I feel bad for the kids and the grandkids she expects to help her with them. I’m all for reproductive rights but this is ridiculous. There’s no visible means of support for these children other than her asking for handouts. What the hell? And apparently this woman has had plastic surgery to boot? Come on, something really shady is going on here.

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  • Indida
    February 12
    3:34 pm

    She keeps saying that she is not on welfare but she is. She is receiving food stamps and state disability. That is all a part of welfare.

    I am sick of her mother. Oh sure, wait until there are 14 kids and bad publicity, then trash her. What about the years that her parents spent all of their money to help her do this?

    You know what they were saying at first when people were asking about how they will be supported? They said grandpops would go back to, I forget the country, and do more contract work as interpreter.

    They were going to do what they have done since the beginning, continue enabling her. Crappy parents raise crappy kids.

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  • Anon76
    February 12
    3:40 pm

    I’ve been watching this story from the beginning and it just makes me sick.

    Besides all the issues already brought up by others, what also chaps my ass is that a woman who decides she does not want to have children at all, is, screwed! (forgive the backwards pun)

    The choices are: abstinence, condoms and such, the pill, devices planted in your body, or get your tubes tied.

    I find it deplorable that insurance companies will not pay for the pill or many of the other methods. Even more deplorable is the criteria set for some of the internal devices or to get your tubes tied. You must have had at least one child, and be in a stable “relationship”.

    Now pardon my French, but WTF!

    Yet this bimbo comes along and shoots out kids like sunflower seed shells with the APPROVAL of her doctor. And while living thereafter on the government dole. Cuz there ain’t no way in hell that the kind of job she is going to school for is gonna support those poor kids.

    Truly sickening. The losers in this are the children, big time.

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  • West
    February 12
    3:49 pm

    According to the article I read on MSN yesterday, she was recieving disablity benefits for a back injury for nearly ten years, and that’s how she paid for the IVF. Which leads me to my first question- which is it? Was she working or was she on disability?

    I don’t usually follow the news, so it took me a few days to catch up on this story, but I have to say, I was pretty pissed at this woman. I totally understand that some people really want kids. I understand people choosing to have several kids (okay, I don’t personally get it, but since I don’t want to be judged because I don’t want kids, I won’t judge those who choose to have four or five). BUT! you have got to be able to support them. It’s incredibly selfish and irresponsible to keep having children you can’t afford- and I think this is worse, because she went out of her way to have them. This isn’t someone who accidentally kept getting pregnant (although, seriously, for those people- birth control), and doesn’t believe in abortion. That would be one situation. But to keep going out of her way, spending that much money, to get pregnant again? That money could have been so much better used to take care of her exisiting children, not giving her another eight. And I know that statistically that many embryos don’t take, but having even one more child when you can barely take care of the ones you have is irresponsible.

    But that being said, I’m not sure about taking the children away. First, aside from being financially irresponsible, there’s no evidence that she’s an unfit parent, by goverment standards. And second, even if they seized the children, tax payers would still be picking up the bill for many of them. The little babies might be adopted quickly, but the older children and the disabled children would most likely end up in foster homes (for which tax payers foot the bill). So as long as she can keep them fed, clothed, sheltered and watched, she’s not an unfit parent. And we’re going to end up covering the costs, anyway.

    Now as for that doctor… he needs to be investigated by the ethics board. If she admits to using more embryos than allowed, well, then it follows that he implanted more than allowed. And the really irritating thing here? He’s apparently been offered a contract for a reality show.

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  • Jen
    February 12
    4:41 pm

    I think she had 8 babies because there are other reality shows that made people famous for having a large number of kids and she wanted to be rich and famous too–without having to work for it. I’m really surprised at the doctors that continued to implant her though. I mean just because you can do it doesn’t mean you should. Did anyone involved in this situation have any common sense?

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  • IIRC, Her mother said at one point that this ‘woman’ was never interested in being married and from the time she was a very little girl, she wanted babies. Lots of babies.

    She’s a person who needs psychiatric care, not IVF. As to her parents, caring for one child might be supportive of the daughter you love, trying to overlook one bad decision, but with this many? Enabling her by caring for them all is every bit as bad.

    I suppose that sounds really harsh, and I feel terrible for these babies and how their lives have and will be, but come one! If you want that many babies, buy a doll for crying out loud! They do make them that act just like the real thing!

    *sheesh*

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  • theo, I saw that too and I agree she has some severe problems. Her parents would be doing her a favor to have her committed for psychological examination. Also, I’m dubious of Children’s Services here, too. Generally these agencies have no qualm about separating kids from a family even on the shakiest of allegations. But here’s a family that actually needs someone to step in and suddenly the agency here looks awfully reluctant to take action. We see cases all the time where the local Humane Dept. rescue pets from an owner who has too many to properly care for; the old lady with umpteen cats, the horse enthusiasts without the means to feed their animals, the neighbor with a dozen dogs but no job, ect. This mother obviously can’t even provide for herself and probably doesn’t even want to, and these children, all 14, deserve loving, providing homes.

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  • Louise van Hine
    February 12
    7:02 pm

    There are some misconceptions floating about here. First off, no patient, no matter how persuasive, can convince a doctor to implant more embryos against standard medical ethics. There is a lot more responsibility borne by the doctor here, because for each of her IVF procedures he implanted far more embryos than is the standard 2-4 followed by fertility clinics in the USA. Since one doctor did it, he knew – specifically – how many kids she had, and would also know that three of them were either born or became disabled. That is also on the doctor. In Europe there is a law preventing implantation of more than 3 embryos at a time . The entire reason for West Coast IVF to have done the multiple implantations was to enhance their reputation for “100% success.” NORMAL IVF procedures with 2-4 implantations succeed less than half the time, requiring retreatment, which is expensive.

    The second misconception is about how this woman is “getting all this welfare.” Sorry, SSI is a disability payment program, not a poverty entitlement program. Anyone who is disabled long-term may qualify for SSI. It is part of the Social Security insurance system, and it is not Nadya herself who is collecting these payments – they are on behalf of disabled children. And food stamps is not a cash payment program either – it provides coupons for purchasing food, and just because she is getting a set payment of hundreds of dollars in food stamps does not mean that is the state’s cash outlay. The way the SNAP program works is you buy a certain amount of stamps per month. Depending upon income you pay more, or less for them. If there are 3 children on SSI then they receive Medicaid, the federal health insurance program. This does not necessarily entitle Nadya or the octuplets for Medicaid – and that is where the real expenses come in, since they are all in premature prenatal care.

    And the restrictions on the only remaining cash payment program, called TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) make it impossible for any parent, even single parents, to remain on the program more than 5 years LIFETIME. So if Nadya was already on TANF for 2 years, she and her children cannot collect TANF payments for more than 3 additional years.

    It is completely false to suggest, as someone here did that “these kids will be on welfare till they’re 18.” That can’t happen. No matter what their circumstances.

    I am not arguing that Nadya was irresponsible. Obviously she was, and is. I agree it was a bad idea that she had so many kids, but it is NOT her fault that the IVF clinic broke every ethical guideline on IVF treatment to implant 6 embryos, she should not be faulted for choosing not to abort some of them when the implantation took (unless you’ve had to make the decision about who should live and who should die, you shouldn’t judge others for that). It’s dumb for someone with a disability to start with to try to have as large a family as possible, but she was really signing up for one kid, with a risk of another set of twins.

    So all I am asking is put the responsibility where it belongs, and the lion’s share of that belongs with the unscrupulous doctor who did whatever the mother wanted. No patient gets that kind of power over a doctor under normal circumstances. So it was the clinic exploiting the patient in this case, for their own 100% success rate reputation.

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  • According to ABC news, it will cost $1.5M annual to care for those kids, just covering the basics. The 8 in the hospital are costing $2500 a day EACH–and they’re expected to remain in the hospital for another eight weeks. The hospital is already asking the state to help with the bill.

    This woman and her poor decisions have already put strain on the state. Make Dr. Fertility pay for the babies’ hospital bill. Think about it–the success rate after implantation is 50% or less, so how many embryos did she really get implanted? Maybe the doc isn’t criminally liable, but he sure as hell is ethically guilty.

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  • Jenns
    February 12
    7:29 pm

    I just found out that the state is footing the hospital bill (or is that, bills?).
    How on earth does this woman expect to financially support all of her kids? And how on earth does she expect to give them all enough care and nurturing? I’m so concerned about these 14 children; it seems pretty clear that their mother has some problems. Not to mention a huge amount of selfishness.

    *Stepping off soapbox now.*

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  • While I don’t see many ‘misconceptions’ floating around here, the facts remain. This is a woman who has received well over $150,000 in the past eight years for a temporary disability herself, which, according to the doctor who recently examined her, should now be made permanent. That, along with the nearly $2900 a month she receives, which she is not accountable for, for the three disabled children she already has, and the fact that the eight new babies qualify for Medi-Cal, which in the long run, *might* have to reimburse the hospital caring for the babies up to $800,000 means, one way or another, this woman is living off the state and, in the long run, federal government, between aid, low-income housing, medical assistance, different government programs, and the new website she’s set up asking for donations!

    Also, I live in an area where it’s very common to have third and fourth generation welfare families. These people have learned to circumvent the rules of the programs they live on and continue to live on. It’s not hard to do. So yes, it’s quite possible that, should this woman *not* get her degree, not be able to afford to raise all these kids, that they will be supported by the taxpayers until they are adults.

    As for the responsibility, she carries as much responsibility as the fertility doctor does. If she wanted children that much, what about all those waiting to be adopted rather than the over $100,000 she ‘saved up for’ that she paid to have the IVF done? She’s wanted babies since she was a child herself. And that’s all she’s wanted. So, she found a doctor who was willing to go along for his own selfish reasons, which aren’t any better or worse than her own, and between the two of them, they created 14 children who deserve much, much better than what they’ll end up with.

    Sorry, the woman needs psychiatric help, and frankly, so does anyone else insane enough to go along with her. And if she ever does become a counselor (and good God, I have to ask what the hell she’d be counseling! And who in their right mind would go to her!) she and the doctor both should be forced to pay back every penny spent to pay for her ‘disability’ and his stupidity.

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  • Calling her previous children “older ” is a laugh, they’re just babies themselves . 7 years old and younger. All the justified outrage aside, I hope all the kids get the care they need somehow. They didn’t ask to be in this situation.
    Her poor mother is obviously overwhelmed so definitely California’s child protective agencies need to be obsserving what kind of care the kids are getting .

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  • Indida
    February 12
    9:18 pm

    As for TANF and SSI,

    This woman had a worker’s comp claim from her employer first. She was injured on the job and around the same time diagnosed with mental issues.

    Worker’s comp cut her off not long after and she switched to SDI for herself because she claimed her back injury became worse. It bacame worse because thats when she started having the children.

    She is now receiving the SSI for the disabled children she has.

    As for the 60 month time limit for TANF, that time limit is in regards to cash aid alone. Welfare entails food stamps, medi-cal, and cash aid. Because of the SDI for herself and, later, the SSI for the children, she is most likely not eligible to cash aid. But she can have all the food stamps and Medi-Cal she wants. She does not have to buy into them at all. All she has to do is apply for it and she did.

    SHe is on welfare and has been for a long time. Everyone who is in employed in the State of California pays into SDI and Social Security. We provide the funding for the welfare system through our taxes. We are taking care of her and her children.

    I have no problem with taking care of the disabled but I have a problem with taking care of people like her who abuse the system. It’s a blessing for some that we even have welfare to help but people like her ruin it for them.

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  • Louise van Hine
    February 12
    9:24 pm

    @Indida – thanks for the additional info. I agree that she put herself into the situation where she needed aid. However, once the children are here, what use is there in blaming the children for the circumstances, since they had no hand in putting themselves there? What I really have a problem with is the blame-the-victim mentality. Certainly the mother created her situation, but there is no value in blaming the children who had no hand in her decisions. They didn’t ask to be born by the litter. I do think that the IVF doctor should be held responsible, particularly considering the massive amount of health care expense involved, and he should be fined for violating the standard of care for in-vitro fertilization treatments. A woman with 6 children has no need for fertility treatment. Maybe California can fine him and claw back some of the fine money to cover the medical costs.

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  • I’m sorry, but I can’t agree the doctor should carry the lion’s share of responsibility here. Certainly what he did was unscrupulous and I hope his actions bring about new changes in regulations regarding this field of medicine. But this mother knowingly, willingly got herself impregnated when some of her other children are already on disability. This isn’t just professional indifference, this is gross cruelty. If she really loves those other children she would have concentrated on caring to their needs before trying to fulfill her dreams of more & more babies. Even if she were these children’s primary care giver there is just no way she can continue to provide necessary attention if she’s feeding, diapering, bathing, dressing, soothing the colic, making doctor visits, ect. on her own for eight more. If there’s any exploitation going on it’s with a selfish woman who has exploited her parents, social programs, her children and the very reproductive capability the gods gave her. All her children need and deserve more than being doled off on the grandparents while Mommy and her publicist are working the media circuit.

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  • @Anya:

    Word!

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  • Kelly Bishop
    February 12
    10:06 pm

    The woman is definitely in need of some serious psychiatric care. And her doctor HAD to have known that.

    The only way to keep another train wreck like this from happening again is for the state medical board to make such a harsh example of the doctor that it puts the fear of God into other fertility specialists.

    She had a lot of enablers but the doctor was the one in the best position to put a stop to things.

    I hope they nail his hide to the wall.

    Kelly B.

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  • I totally agree with you. I read this story a couple weeks ago and was absolutely horrified.

    I also want to know what doctor would provide fertility treatment in the first place for a woman who is still living at home with her parents and already has six children. That should be a red flag right there. I don’t necessarily think “single” should exclude someone, but given the circumstances of this particular situation, which the doctor would have known about… what s/he did was absolutely unethical.

    I feel so very, very sorry for those children. :(

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  • Fae
    February 12
    11:15 pm

    I don’t see how disability could have covered the IVF treatments. 185k over ten years equals less than 20k a year. That’s poverty level. None of the explanations the media has given, of which there are several, equal enough money to live, care for 6 existing kids *and* pay for IVF treatments. There’s a whole lot fishy here and I’m waiting for the other shoe on this story to drop.

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  • Louise van Hine
    February 12
    11:18 pm

    @Fae: I agree, there is a lot more to this story, and I am suspecting it has to do with the IVF doctor. An early comment I read said that Nadya actually had not paid for the treatments, that she was “being paid” to get them. She may have been hired as a “poster girl” for the IVF doctor as one of their paid “success stories” so that he didn’t have to disclose the 6-embryo technique he was using.

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  • I don’t know–$185k is plenty, if you’re leeching off your parents and they’re footing all the bills for your kids. If they’re a million bucks in debt over this, well, you don’t have to wonder how Nadya was able to squirrel away that kind of money. It sure would have been nice if her parents had cut her off before the octuplets, tho. Or before child 6. Or child 5. Or child 4…

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  • Masha
    February 13
    12:02 am

    You might find this interesting.

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  • If anyone wants to know more about the doctor in question, here is his website
    http://www.wcivf.com/
    and here is the mother’s make-a-donation site. There’s a link for comments there.

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  • Lorraine
    February 13
    1:05 am

    As a Californian I’m pissed!!! The State can’t afford to subsidize this woman and her poor choices. For those of you unaware, California’s economy is in crisis. The State has mandated that its workforce must take 2 days furlough per month without pay, which approximates to a 10% pay cut, (yes, yes, I know, there are a handful of agencies excluded from the mandate). School budgets, medical care, etc are being cut. In addition, the State will be sending out IOUs in the next couple of weeks if a budget compromise isn’t made.

    The hospital bill alone is projected to be between $500-850,000 based on how long those poor babies have to stay in the NICU. The state is already being billed for it. Aside from that onetime cost, the fact is that many babies born that small have disabilities that follow them throughout life. She already has three kids with disabilities. As a single parent, how can she cope with more? Sorry to be un-PC, but she should be forced to have her tubes tied.

    I’m all for socialized medical care, but this is egregious.

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  • Emmy
    February 13
    1:30 am

    On one hand, I don’t think doctors should be the arbiters of who has how many children. However, implanting 6 embryos in an unwed, unemployed mother of 6 other children who lives with her parents defies logic. The medical board is rightly reviewing this case and the doctor stands to lose his license.

    This chick needs a hug. And a therapist. Having 14 kids so you can have your own small village of inhabitants who love you unconditionally is freakishly extreme.

    Child protective services should be involved in this case because all 14 kids are expected to live in a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with their mother and grandparents. They’re stacking cribs in there like firewood. Apparently they were hoping someone would donate a house, van, diapers, formula, etc. and a TV show, as seems to be the norm when people have multiple births. I don’t see that happening in this case because people are fairly horrified. Formula and diaper companies aren’t sponsoring her like they have other families.

    The hospital bill alone is projected to be between $500-850,000 based on how long those poor babies have to stay in the NICU.

    That’s WAY low. Try $1.5-3 million.

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  • A principle precept all medical students are taught in med school is:

    Primum non nocere

    Fist do no harm.

    What kind of harm has this doctor inflicted on these children? What kind of life has he subjected them to?

    This woman is mentally deficient and this doctor played that up for what he could.

    And the children are left to pay the price.

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  • Emmy
    February 13
    1:50 am

    Theo- to play devil’s advocate: This shockingly unsuccessful doctor also implanted 6 embryos in each of this person’s other IVF cycles, resulting in 4 single births and a set of twins. There was no reason for him to assume that doing the same thing this time would result in 8 kids. Still, there should be some sanction for not following the standard of care here, and he may very well be found negligent for that.

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  • @Emmy, she was a good test subject for him to practice on, wasn’t she? He should never have done it in the first place. Then again, a woman in her position, with half a brain, wouldn’t have pursued anything like this until she was financially able to give her *child* a stable life and certainly wouldn’t have continued to go through IVF. For her, the IVF is like crack!

    I am not saying one is more responsible than the other, they’re both equally at fault. But they both should also face the repercussions for their actions. It shouldn’t fall on the children, which is exactly where it will ultimately end up.

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  • @Anya Howard: agreed.

    Mama needs a good slap upside the head. She’ll probably get it when she realizes no one’s donating diapers. How sad for those babies, since there’s no way they’ll stay together when they get farmed out.

    Are people really giving Octomom their money via her donation website? Who? I don’t think I’ve met anyone who isn’t horrified by this story.

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  • Very sad. The state of CA should sue that doctor for damages.

    I’m a mother of two, and I’ve had many sleepless nights rocking ONE baby. No single person could care for this many infants. No sane person would attempt it.

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  • Lorraine
    February 13
    7:33 am

    @Emmy– No doubt the cost to the taxpayers over the lifespan of these kids will total in the millions. However, the cost I was referring to concerned only their hospitalization at birth. From the Los Angeles Times this morning:

    Using the 2007 average as a low estimate, Kaiser would be eligible for a combined $9,584 per day in Medi-Cal reimbursement. The babies, who are 16 days old, have already racked up a conservative $153,344 in Medi-Cal costs, not including their delivery. Kaiser doctors have said they will remain hospitalized for seven to 12 weeks. If they stay for seven weeks, the cost would be $469,616. If they stay 12 weeks, the cost would be $805,056.Using the 2007 average as a low estimate, Kaiser would be eligible for a combined $9,584 per day in Medi-Cal reimbursement. The babies, who are 16 days old, have already racked up a conservative $153,344 in Medi-Cal costs, not including their delivery. Kaiser doctors have said they will remain hospitalized for seven to 12 weeks. If they stay for seven weeks, the cost would be $469,616. If they stay 12 weeks, the cost would be $805,056.

    @Jill Sorenson– I agree…the doctor should not only be sued, but have his license revoked.

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  • Emmy, I think this girl is far beyond hugs being any help at all. :-\

    I’ve read in articles where her mother was quoted as saying she had a desire to have a lot of kids even when she was young, to an abnormal extent. She needs extensive therapy, not fertility treatments.

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  • Emmy
    February 13
    11:02 am

    Lorraine…the average cost per day in the NICU is around $2k. That’s $16k per day for those kids. You’re referring to what Medicare will reimburse the hospital, not the actual costs of the care. Because she’s unemployed, taxpayers are going to be on the hook for the TOTAL cost…the hospital is not a charity organization. It will charge the people who CAN pay more or find other ways to bill the state.

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  • Anon76
    February 13
    2:07 pm

    Masha,

    That link is frightning!!!

    I wonder what effect this doctor’s “unique” procedure style has on the children themselves. And…could it be linked to the birth defects in this woman’s children.

    Man, I so hope not, because that really puts the other eight children further behind the 8-ball when it comes to the possibility of having on-going health issues. Poor babies.

    String the man up!!!!!!!!!

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  • kristenmary
    February 13
    8:09 pm

    I personally think the doctor should pay child support, just like if he was the guy who knocked her up. He was obviously the one in control of the situation and he chose this road to lead her down.

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  • dew
    February 13
    9:59 pm

    I read that she ordered fertility drugs off the internet, which is a lot cheaper than through fertility clinics. Others theorized that she might have gotten ahold of some drug samples while she was employed at a fertility clinic.

    I also read that she used quite a a bit of the non-welfare money to have plastic surgery, instead of using the money for the kids, or to repay her parents (do “enabled” children ever repay their parents?)

    And paps took photos of her recently purchasing what appeared to be video game/s. She was spending money on non-essentials while pleaing for donations! And she appeared to be away from her 6 kids that aren’t in the hospital.

    Oh, and I also read a report about the dr implanting another women with multiples — she’s expecting four I think, and she isn’t insured either!

    Those poor kids should be placed with parents that are mentally capable of taking better care of them, and allow Octomom visitation. And the dr should be heavily fined, and his license taken away.

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  • Lorraine
    February 13
    10:58 pm

    @Emmy– good points. Now I’m even more pissed!!! LOL

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  • Also note, when looking at expense, that they keep saying “not counting cost of delivery”. My twins–though covered by insurance–wracked up a 50k bill. Multiples require a complete team of doctors and nurses for EACH baby, to handle APGAR testing, possible intubation or resuscitation, even if they don’t require it. I can EASILY see the bill for these kids entire hospital experience costing over a million dollars. And when one of my twins required NICU post birth for three days—34k.

    Trust me, we haven’t even BEGUN to see the dollar totals.

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  • Kerry Allen
    February 15
    5:42 pm

    I’m outraged on behalf of taxpayers, horrified for all those children, and think someone needs to be institutionalized and someone else needs to be in jail, but I am now exhausted by it all to the point of silliness. To wit:

    If she can’t get her own show on TLC or Pampers and Gerber endorsements, maybe Michael Jackson would be interested in taking on her and her brood. Heck, with his support, surely she could afford to spew out a dozen more.

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