Comments on: AztecLady speaks: ’scuse me, aren’t I an adult? http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/ The book crazy blogger who has an opinion on everything, from Britney Spears to the global economy Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:05:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: vein http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32109 vein Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:28:40 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32109 Also, in order to bar him from teaching they need some legal mandate. Civil servant jobs are often not "fire at will"--so he could sue to be reinstated unless something prevented him. Consider, if a vet has his license removed for hitting a dog that occurs under State law. Is boinking a student less serious than slapping a dog? Than breaking the speeding limit? Jaywalking? These are all crimes. Also, in order to bar him from teaching they need some legal mandate. Civil servant jobs are often not “fire at will”–so he could sue to be reinstated unless something prevented him. Consider, if a vet has his license removed for hitting a dog that occurs under State law. Is boinking a student less serious than slapping a dog? Than breaking the speeding limit? Jaywalking? These are all crimes.

]]> By: Jane http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32091 Jane Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:58:36 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32091 criminalizing sexual contact between adults based on power imbalances is not uncommon. Counselors, attorneys, doctors, etc., can be brought up on charges of criminal sexual misconduct, depending on the laws of the state, for having sex with their clients. criminalizing sexual contact between adults based on power imbalances is not uncommon. Counselors, attorneys, doctors, etc., can be brought up on charges of criminal sexual misconduct, depending on the laws of the state, for having sex with their clients.

]]> By: Nonny http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32086 Nonny Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:31:13 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32086 Thanks for the clarification, Julie. :) I do think that the teacher should be punished, pref. barred from teaching permanently. I don't think that it constitutes a crime, however, since the person in question was a legal adult. Unethical, very definitely. Illegal, no. Thanks for the clarification, Julie. :)

I do think that the teacher should be punished, pref. barred from teaching permanently. I don’t think that it constitutes a crime, however, since the person in question was a legal adult. Unethical, very definitely. Illegal, no.

]]> By: Marianne McA http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32082 Marianne McA Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:37:11 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32082 I agree with Vein - when I send my daughter to school, those teachers have a duty of care towards her, and they aren't free to have a relationship with her. Plus, it's just ikky - one of our Art teachers when I was at school had a relationship with one of the girls, and we all knew, and it breaks some mental boundary that needs to be there for the student-teacher relationship to operate properly. (Was an all girls school, and the male teachers have a difficult enough time with 13 year olds falling for their limited charms year in, year out. If you take away that surety that they are unattainable, it hurts everyone.) I wouldn't have any problem with it being a crime. (And, on the age of consent thing, it's 17 here, but you can legally get married at 16 with your parents' consent. One would think that if you're old enough to get married, you ought to be old enough to have sex with your husband.) I agree with Vein – when I send my daughter to school, those teachers have a duty of care towards her, and they aren’t free to have a relationship with her.
Plus, it’s just ikky – one of our Art teachers when I was at school had a relationship with one of the girls, and we all knew, and it breaks some mental boundary that needs to be there for the student-teacher relationship to operate properly. (Was an all girls school, and the male teachers have a difficult enough time with 13 year olds falling for their limited charms year in, year out. If you take away that surety that they are unattainable, it hurts everyone.)
I wouldn’t have any problem with it being a crime.

(And, on the age of consent thing, it’s 17 here, but you can legally get married at 16 with your parents’ consent. One would think that if you’re old enough to get married, you ought to be old enough to have sex with your husband.)

]]> By: Sybil http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32079 Sybil Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:05:41 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32079 Normally I am all for live and let live. 18 is the age of consent point blank end of story but I have to agree with Julie Leto, Roslyn and shi here I thing it is the fact he was the teacher. And seriously what a moron a month before school lets out he starts up an 'affair' with an 18 year old kid? It must have ended badly for her to go to the school or cops or whatev she did to get him arrested. Should he be arrested prolly not but should he be teaching kids, honestly I wouldn't want him at a highschool ::shrug:: Normally I am all for live and let live. 18 is the age of consent point blank end of story but I have to agree with Julie Leto, Roslyn and shi here I thing it is the fact he was the teacher.

And seriously what a moron a month before school lets out he starts up an ‘affair’ with an 18 year old kid? It must have ended badly for her to go to the school or cops or whatev she did to get him arrested.

Should he be arrested prolly not but should he be teaching kids, honestly I wouldn’t want him at a highschool ::shrug::

]]> By: JulieLeto http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32078 JulieLeto Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:21:53 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32078 Nonny, that's not what I meant. I think there's a big difference between someone who had to move back home because of the circumstances you laid out and someone who has yet to be on their own because they are still in school. I think vein made the BEST argument. In loco parentis. Yup, yup, yup. Nonny, that’s not what I meant. I think there’s a big difference between someone who had to move back home because of the circumstances you laid out and someone who has yet to be on their own because they are still in school.

I think vein made the BEST argument. In loco parentis. Yup, yup, yup.

]]> By: Nonny http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32077 Nonny Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:58:08 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32077 Julie, I see the argument of "still living at home, therefore a child" to be... far too broad. (Unless I misunderstand what you're saying.) There are adults that live with their parents for a variety of reasons. I know a few close to their thirties that have been forced to move back home due to lay-offs and inability to find work. I also know adults that live with their parents for reasons of physical (not mental) disability. Julie, I see the argument of “still living at home, therefore a child” to be… far too broad. (Unless I misunderstand what you’re saying.) There are adults that live with their parents for a variety of reasons. I know a few close to their thirties that have been forced to move back home due to lay-offs and inability to find work. I also know adults that live with their parents for reasons of physical (not mental) disability.

]]> By: West http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32076 West Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:48:22 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32076 Wrong? Yes. A violation of ethics? Bet your ass. But a crime? I don't think so. My problem here is the fact that the laws are different because it was a student. 18 is 18 as far as I'm concerned. And as for places where age of consent is higher than age of legal adulthood? That's ridiculous, and needs to be changed. It can't be both ways. Either they're adults who can choose for themselves, or they aren't. Wrong? Yes. A violation of ethics? Bet your ass. But a crime? I don’t think so. My problem here is the fact that the laws are different because it was a student. 18 is 18 as far as I’m concerned. And as for places where age of consent is higher than age of legal adulthood? That’s ridiculous, and needs to be changed. It can’t be both ways. Either they’re adults who can choose for themselves, or they aren’t.

]]> By: vein http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32075 vein Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:27:08 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32075 She is not a minor but that does not make it right for a teacher, coach, therapist, doctor, foster parent or any other individual acting <em>in loco parentis </em>(legally taking on the place and responsibilitiesof a parent) to have sex with her. So yes, I think it is a form of sex that should be disallowed, whether this is done under criminal or other regulation seems somewhat beside the point to me. Most teachers, nurses etc I know consider loco parentis a very serious thing whether it involves a 6 year old, or a developmentally delayed 60 year old. If they met as strangers in a bar it would be creepy but not problematical in the same way. She is not a minor but that does not make it right for a teacher, coach, therapist, doctor, foster parent or any other individual acting in loco parentis (legally taking on the place and responsibilitiesof a parent) to have sex with her. So yes, I think it is a form of sex that should be disallowed, whether this is done under criminal or other regulation seems somewhat beside the point to me. Most teachers, nurses etc I know consider loco parentis a very serious thing whether it involves a 6 year old, or a developmentally delayed 60 year old. If they met as strangers in a bar it would be creepy but not problematical in the same way.

]]> By: AztecLady http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/02/azteclady-speaks-scuse-me-arent-i-an-adult/comment-page-1/#comment-32074 AztecLady Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:19:56 +0000 http://karenknowsbest.com/?p=2793#comment-32074 Wrong, agreed. A crime? I disagree. Wrong, agreed.

A crime?

I disagree.

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