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		<title>By: Teddypig</title>
		<link>http://karenknowsbest.com/2009/03/11/euthanasia-are-you-for-it-or-against-it/comment-page-1/#comment-32555</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddypig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t necessarily object to the laws being changed to allow this. I strongly object to the simple decriminalization of euthanasia.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, I would rather see some of the ways treatments are preformed questioned and regulated more. I have seen a great deal of treatments of the terminally ill used simply because they could. Think of it as unapproved experimentation by doctors on patients that were dying anyway. I would hate to accuse them of padding the bill so to speak but I think it does happen just for that reason and it happens more often than we think especially when you are dealing with AIDS or Alzheimers etc. 

Just because we can prolong life does not mean we should. Just because we can stick 6 embryos in a woman does not mean we should.

Some of these decisions should effect the doctor financially as much as it effects the patient. I think doctors do get god complexes and it does hit all of us in our insurance premiums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t necessarily object to the laws being changed to allow this. I strongly object to the simple decriminalization of euthanasia.</i></p>
<p>Well, I would rather see some of the ways treatments are preformed questioned and regulated more. I have seen a great deal of treatments of the terminally ill used simply because they could. Think of it as unapproved experimentation by doctors on patients that were dying anyway. I would hate to accuse them of padding the bill so to speak but I think it does happen just for that reason and it happens more often than we think especially when you are dealing with AIDS or Alzheimers etc. </p>
<p>Just because we can prolong life does not mean we should. Just because we can stick 6 embryos in a woman does not mean we should.</p>
<p>Some of these decisions should effect the doctor financially as much as it effects the patient. I think doctors do get god complexes and it does hit all of us in our insurance premiums.</p>
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		<title>By: eggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>eggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that when the brain is gone, then so are you.  So I don&#039;t see anything wrong with someone having the plug pulled if they are a vegetable - as far as I&#039;m concerned, they&#039;re dead already.  When the mind is intact, however, I&#039;m against it.  

I recently watched an 80-something relative of my husband die a slow and painful death of dehydration because she&#039;d had a stroke and could no longer swallow.  Her two adult children (in their early 60&#039;s) refused to allow her to have a drip for hydration (or sedation) because she was &quot;going to die anyway&quot;, so they didn&#039;t see any point in prolonging the agony (for themselves).  

For those who are curious, it took her close to a week to die -  and her mind was intact the entire time.  She could nod or shake her head for yes and no to questions that were asked of her. If she&#039;d been given the &quot;choice&quot; of euthanasia, I&#039;m sure she would have grabbed it with both hands to escape the torture her children were putting her through.  

And let&#039;s face it, there are much more subtle forms of psychological pressure that could be brought to bear on the elderly to get them to  request to be euthanized by their selfish, greedy children who can&#039;t wait to inherit.  We always consider extreme case scenarios - like quadraplegia   or persistent coma - when talking about euthanasia, but the reality is that the vast majority of people (like +90%) who will be euthanized will be the elderly who are the most easily victimized and bullied segment of our society.  We need to make laws that take into account the most common scenarios, not the least likely.

That being said, if a person of sound mind can convince a panel of psychologists that they genuinely want to die (say, similar to the hoops you need to jump through to get gender reassignment surgery), then I don&#039;t necessarily object to the laws being changed to allow this.  I strongly object to the simple decriminalization of euthanasia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that when the brain is gone, then so are you.  So I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with someone having the plug pulled if they are a vegetable &#8211; as far as I&#8217;m concerned, they&#8217;re dead already.  When the mind is intact, however, I&#8217;m against it.  </p>
<p>I recently watched an 80-something relative of my husband die a slow and painful death of dehydration because she&#8217;d had a stroke and could no longer swallow.  Her two adult children (in their early 60&#8217;s) refused to allow her to have a drip for hydration (or sedation) because she was &#8220;going to die anyway&#8221;, so they didn&#8217;t see any point in prolonging the agony (for themselves).  </p>
<p>For those who are curious, it took her close to a week to die &#8211;  and her mind was intact the entire time.  She could nod or shake her head for yes and no to questions that were asked of her. If she&#8217;d been given the &#8220;choice&#8221; of euthanasia, I&#8217;m sure she would have grabbed it with both hands to escape the torture her children were putting her through.  </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s face it, there are much more subtle forms of psychological pressure that could be brought to bear on the elderly to get them to  request to be euthanized by their selfish, greedy children who can&#8217;t wait to inherit.  We always consider extreme case scenarios &#8211; like quadraplegia   or persistent coma &#8211; when talking about euthanasia, but the reality is that the vast majority of people (like +90%) who will be euthanized will be the elderly who are the most easily victimized and bullied segment of our society.  We need to make laws that take into account the most common scenarios, not the least likely.</p>
<p>That being said, if a person of sound mind can convince a panel of psychologists that they genuinely want to die (say, similar to the hoops you need to jump through to get gender reassignment surgery), then I don&#8217;t necessarily object to the laws being changed to allow this.  I strongly object to the simple decriminalization of euthanasia.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorraine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No question about it, I&#039;m all for euthanasia.  It&#039;s cruel to make a person live who no longer has the desire for life, for whatever reason.  

In the case of people in a persistant vegetative state, who can&#039;t decide for themselves, the decision should be up to the immediate family whether or not to keep them alive.  It should be done humanely, rather than make the person starve to death. And under no circumstances should the family face legal repercussions.  They&#039;ve already faced the agony of watching their loved one wither away.

I consider it the most basic of human rights.  For me it&#039;s simple:  It&#039;s my life and if I want to end it, at any time, for any reason, that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; right.  The idea that anyone has the hubris to insist that I remain living when I no longer want to, is mind boggling to me.  Just because others may think my life has meaning, doesn&#039;t mean that I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question about it, I&#8217;m all for euthanasia.  It&#8217;s cruel to make a person live who no longer has the desire for life, for whatever reason.  </p>
<p>In the case of people in a persistant vegetative state, who can&#8217;t decide for themselves, the decision should be up to the immediate family whether or not to keep them alive.  It should be done humanely, rather than make the person starve to death. And under no circumstances should the family face legal repercussions.  They&#8217;ve already faced the agony of watching their loved one wither away.</p>
<p>I consider it the most basic of human rights.  For me it&#8217;s simple:  It&#8217;s my life and if I want to end it, at any time, for any reason, that&#8217;s <em>my</em> right.  The idea that anyone has the hubris to insist that I remain living when I no longer want to, is mind boggling to me.  Just because others may think my life has meaning, doesn&#8217;t mean that I do.</p>
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		<title>By: JulieLeto</title>
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		<dc:creator>JulieLeto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death with dignity says it all.</description>
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		<title>By: Marianne McA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne McA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d read this just before the Daniel James case, and it did make me feel differently about it. 

http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/archive/berg.htm

On the whole, I&#039;m pro euthanasia, because I&#039;d like to have that option myself. But I can see difficulties in devising a workable system that protects the vunerable. Because while there are people that are kind to suffering animals, there are others who are not. There was a programme on local TV yesterday about a blind 93 year old woman who was cheated out of her home by her son: if, in other circumstances, he had had the right to decide whether to &#039;end her suffering&#039; there&#039;s no reason to think he&#039;d consider anything but his own best interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d read this just before the Daniel James case, and it did make me feel differently about it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/archive/berg.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/archive/berg.htm</a></p>
<p>On the whole, I&#8217;m pro euthanasia, because I&#8217;d like to have that option myself. But I can see difficulties in devising a workable system that protects the vunerable. Because while there are people that are kind to suffering animals, there are others who are not. There was a programme on local TV yesterday about a blind 93 year old woman who was cheated out of her home by her son: if, in other circumstances, he had had the right to decide whether to &#8216;end her suffering&#8217; there&#8217;s no reason to think he&#8217;d consider anything but his own best interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Keishon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keishon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most people are endowed with capacity to show mercy to a suffering animal, why is it wrong to shown anything less to a fellow human being?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Took the words or would have - out of my mouth. 
It&#039;s personal and that&#039;s the way I&#039;d like to see it stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most people are endowed with capacity to show mercy to a suffering animal, why is it wrong to shown anything less to a fellow human being?</p></blockquote>
<p>Took the words or would have &#8211; out of my mouth.<br />
It&#8217;s personal and that&#8217;s the way I&#8217;d like to see it stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise van Hine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise van Hine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely in favor of it.  I have the perspective of having had an intractable pain condition for 5 years, and if a solution had not been found for it, there is no way I could have endured it.  Unless you&#039;ve been in that situation, nobody has the right to decide for you what you can or should endure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely in favor of it.  I have the perspective of having had an intractable pain condition for 5 years, and if a solution had not been found for it, there is no way I could have endured it.  Unless you&#8217;ve been in that situation, nobody has the right to decide for you what you can or should endure.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelli Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelli Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my home state of Washington, we just passed (In November) the Death with Dignity Law. And I voted for it. I really think it should be up to the person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my home state of Washington, we just passed (In November) the Death with Dignity Law. And I voted for it. I really think it should be up to the person.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon76</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone from the medical members here please explain the &quot;medical&quot; definition of &quot;viable&quot;? Because when I read the basic definitions for the term, they don&#039;t seem to match up one to the other.

Also, there are many people with horrid conditions whose relatives are not &quot;neglecting&quot; them. Fact is, they often don&#039;t have the &quot;medical&quot; know how to keep them safe.

Case in point, Hospice said just one month before my MIL died that she was well enough that they would no longer help in her care. WTF? Um, any food or liquid given to her could very well have killed her as she choked to death on it! Lets not even get into the idea of trying to get a pill down her throat. 

Oh yes, I could see the &quot;guilt&quot; now as one of her sons tried to feed her, she begins choking, and he could do nothing to help. &quot;Man, I KILLED my mother.&quot;

Sigh. Sorry, just a touchy topic for me.

But in fact, the inability to provide home medical care by the unlearned masses is a reality, not a &quot;neglect&quot; issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone from the medical members here please explain the &#8220;medical&#8221; definition of &#8220;viable&#8221;? Because when I read the basic definitions for the term, they don&#8217;t seem to match up one to the other.</p>
<p>Also, there are many people with horrid conditions whose relatives are not &#8220;neglecting&#8221; them. Fact is, they often don&#8217;t have the &#8220;medical&#8221; know how to keep them safe.</p>
<p>Case in point, Hospice said just one month before my MIL died that she was well enough that they would no longer help in her care. WTF? Um, any food or liquid given to her could very well have killed her as she choked to death on it! Lets not even get into the idea of trying to get a pill down her throat. </p>
<p>Oh yes, I could see the &#8220;guilt&#8221; now as one of her sons tried to feed her, she begins choking, and he could do nothing to help. &#8220;Man, I KILLED my mother.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigh. Sorry, just a touchy topic for me.</p>
<p>But in fact, the inability to provide home medical care by the unlearned masses is a reality, not a &#8220;neglect&#8221; issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddypig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddypig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Case in point, the rugby guy. We are making huge strides in stem cell research, we might find a “cure” for paralysis. But if you’re dead, it’s too late for you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s all good &quot;for you&quot;. 

As someone who has been HIV+ since 1990 I don&#039;t get this argument. Your promise of some miracle cure that I have heard over and over again does not help the guy suffering right this moment. How can you assume to know what he is going through? How can you assume to know better than he does? How does he benefit in his current condition with these vague promises when faced with the length of his suffering?

My lover John died an agonizing death as his brain was infected by AIDS. My mother recently died after suffering years as a victim of alzheimer&#039;s. On both occasions I had to participate in the decision to not allow the doctors to put them on machines.

Just because you can elongate life through mechanical and pharmaceutical means delaying the natural progression without having to provide any cure underlines the simple fact that the doctors are already &quot;playing god&quot;. The power has already corrupted the system and to not deal with this question properly through humanitarian means you are denying the realities you are already participating in and ignoring the suffering of the patients you are striving to help.

Seems to me the current method to deal with these diseases with no cure is to drug them up so much they can&#039;t complain to the doctors or nurses as they rot. Is shutting the patient up so you don&#039;t have to answer the simple question &quot;can you cure this?&quot; really the best answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Case in point, the rugby guy. We are making huge strides in stem cell research, we might find a “cure” for paralysis. But if you’re dead, it’s too late for you.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s all good &#8220;for you&#8221;. </p>
<p>As someone who has been HIV+ since 1990 I don&#8217;t get this argument. Your promise of some miracle cure that I have heard over and over again does not help the guy suffering right this moment. How can you assume to know what he is going through? How can you assume to know better than he does? How does he benefit in his current condition with these vague promises when faced with the length of his suffering?</p>
<p>My lover John died an agonizing death as his brain was infected by AIDS. My mother recently died after suffering years as a victim of alzheimer&#8217;s. On both occasions I had to participate in the decision to not allow the doctors to put them on machines.</p>
<p>Just because you can elongate life through mechanical and pharmaceutical means delaying the natural progression without having to provide any cure underlines the simple fact that the doctors are already &#8220;playing god&#8221;. The power has already corrupted the system and to not deal with this question properly through humanitarian means you are denying the realities you are already participating in and ignoring the suffering of the patients you are striving to help.</p>
<p>Seems to me the current method to deal with these diseases with no cure is to drug them up so much they can&#8217;t complain to the doctors or nurses as they rot. Is shutting the patient up so you don&#8217;t have to answer the simple question &#8220;can you cure this?&#8221; really the best answer?</p>
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