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I got a really interesting e-mail about our friend Patsy Rebmann, AKA AP Miller. The e-mail was from an author, who’s met her several times.

I’m not going to post the e-mail on here, but apparently (to paraphrase) most of her peers are horribly embarrassed by her and her actions, and put it down to some sort of mental breakdown. Also apparently, she’s been lying for years about Hollywood knocking on her door, and whatnot, so it’s quite likely that the Harlequin contract is also a lie. If she’s not lying about that, then hopefully, someone other than ‘Tarra’ will bob over and confirm her claim.

As for claiming Eloisa James as a reference? Apparently she’s in the same chapter, but the nearest she’s probably ever gotten to her, is if she sat next to her at any of the meetings, otherwise, no kinship there whatsoever, Ms James, if you want to confirm or deny, feel free to post *g*

Also, apparently she “lied” about speaking out against e-pubs. Apparently she posted an “incoherent rambling post” on a private author forum, but was once again, mostly ignored cuz she sounded like she’d been sniffing the glue again. (blatant paraphrasing)

It seems to me that far from being a laughing matter, our Patsy may actually need professional help. Which probably explains why she (or at least somebody pretending to be her), went to the trouble of dedicating two whole blogs to yours truly. (I wont bother linking, but I’m sure you guys will find the them eventually, if you haven’t already. The links are in the comments of one of my previous blog posts. *g*)

The woman sure seems to be crazy as a coyote on steroids.

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  • shiloh walker
    September 14
    11:12 am

    ugh… ISN’T used much.

    That should have read… the term secretary ISN’T used much…

    man, I so desperately need more sleep than I’m getting lately.

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  • Sarah McCarty
    September 14
    11:34 am

    After reading this thread, I’m thinking I need a richer fantasy life. Mine doesn’t begin to measure up!

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  • Kitty D
    September 14
    11:37 am

    Thanks for the entertainment. I am going to leave you all to this. It cures boredom. I am apologizing for dragging it out and anyone I may or may not have offended. I don’t need anymore headaches than I already have. And the bit about the love of my life in Iraq. Yes I keep the homefires burning for him thanks. The bit about the dinner with the model well that’s just ridiculous the way people tore it apart. I have no interest in him other than seeing if I can paint the cover. The fact that he’s eye candy does a lot for a girl’s ego you know when you’re feeling your age at almost 40. My heart belongs to one man and that’s how it will stay.

    I don’t care how you choose to take this post. I apologize to Nora for my own petty comeback. That was a response that came out of left field. However, I did want to make mention there was one of your books that I read the sounded remarkably like a book I read by another author. One of your books seriously echoed another book I have read in the past and I cannot put my finger on it right now but just wanted to let you know that it bothered me. I don’t know if they borrowed from you or borderline plagiarized your book. All I know is that it bothers me because nowadays you cannot tell anymore who is real or fake in the writing world. As much as I read, it’s getting to be no one can be wholly original anymore. Someone is borrowing ideas from someone. So how do we regress from that?

    Anyhow, I don’t profess to know any better than anyone or be higher or holier than thou. Sometimes when I get bored I love a good fight. And some people just oblige.

    What gives here? I truly don’t understand how or why all this started when Patti never said anything to anyone until someone said something foul about her. I just don’t blame her for coming back with her own ammunition. What does a wounded possum do in most cases? Swipe out at anyone or anything that comes near it; it’s a defense mechanism. What options do we have then? We fight fire with fire.

    And yes I know for the most part we return mss to the author but you know that isn’t always the case. I know because years ago when I first sent something in I never got a thing back, not a rejection, not an offer, not even the ms I had sent in even though I had sent in a SASE for return. Now that to me is just rude. And sometimes something comes in that is just truly bad and I swear the only thing to do with it is drop it in the trash can. Some of the things that I have read over you wish that sometimes they would have used spellcheck or a proofreader before they sent it. And you’d be surprised who sends that crap in too. Like they think they’re so great that the general public will not care. Luckily for them so much editing goes into it before it goes to print. I feel sorry for the reviewers who get a hold of the unedited proof copies. It can make their job hard.

    I am refusing to take anyone’s side here. I just would like to know how and when this started and why. I don’t profess to be anyone’s best friend, not even Patti’s but I do know that everyone has their idiosyncrasies. I don’t think we get anywhere by dissecting them such as you have Patti. It’s petty and catty. It’s so high school. And high school was a nightmare for me. I wouldn’t go back if someone paid me. What are you getting out of all this? What is the attraction? I want to understand what the enjoyment is in slandering someone’s name whether they deserve it or not? We’re all guilty of keeping the fire going, even me. We’re like bored housewives on a Sunday drive who has discovered a good car accident. We have to drive by it real slow and see what’s going on and gape at the train wreck before us.

    Anyway, I don’t care what you make of this post at this point. I just want to know what is the crux of all this. And don’t tell me it has to do with Patti’s threat to sue. Although posting an excerpt of one of her books without her consent is bordering on grounds for copyright infringement or something. I checked on this. My boss says so that this borders on illegal as it is an electronic reproduction of a part of her book. But it’s semantics and a touchy subject not too many judges will bother with. Yet there are judges who will throw the book at you for it.

    Time is short. In the end the majority of us go to the same place. It’s up to us to secure that ticket to the next destination. This ride has been interesting at least. I cannot be sure from day to day if I will be here to see the sun rise again. My heart dictates I don’t worry about it anymore. But my head does the worrying. How many times will I see that doctor before he says there’s nothing else he can do for me?

    Anyway, I wish you all a good week end. And that last name you had so much fun with, I took that last name because I love him. I never gave it much thought until one of you so politely made a complete mockery of it. Thanks for reminding me why I didn’t keep my maiden name.

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  • shiloh walker
    September 14
    12:01 pm

    Although posting an excerpt of one of her books without her consent is bordering on grounds for copyright infringement or something.

    Uh… no, it’s not… not if somebody made it clear that it was from her book. The way I understand it, it’s not infringment at all. It’s not like somebody claimed to have written it. That would be different. Or if they were trying to make money off said excerpt.

    Wouldn’t an editor KNOW that? The answer is …. yes. I’m sorry, but any editor will know that.

    Any author SHOULD know that.

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  • Barbara Sheridan
    September 14
    12:01 pm

    Nora isn’t here but I hope she doesn’t’ mind me borrowing her phrase–

    I call bullshit.

    An editor who also paints covers? Sure, why not?

    How many times will I see that doctor before he says there’s nothing else he can do for me?

    I’m sorry if you are truly ill, but really now, doesn’t this sound like a lame plot point? If Kitty disappears as mysteriously as she came it’s because she’s passed on?

    What options do we have then? We fight fire with fire.

    What Patti should have opted for was to suck it up, move on and let it blow over (which I suggested).

    Yes I can understand wanting to be pissed off and snipe back but for the love of Buddha at least make it COHERENT and don’t state shit you can’t prove like the mega contracts and top notch agent no one ever heard of and who paints a picture of being less than competent.

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  • Veronica
    September 14
    12:16 pm

    How do you find the time to even come on a blog, if you edit stories for a BIG publishing house, dine with cover models, paint their covers, and read MSS all day?

    Good lord. And the whole thing started with Patsy because she couldn’t keep her big mouth shut-and started threatening to sue left and right. Yes, human nature is to retaliate, but there’s a tasteful way to do it. She was far from being tasteful as are you-with the blogs you have started against Karen.

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  • Nora Roberts
    September 14
    12:23 pm

    Ah, an editor who paints covers, and has submitted mss of her own. A real utility player.

    One who doesn’t know the basic ins and outs of infringement.

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  • Anne
    September 14
    12:37 pm

    It’s petty and catty. It’s so high school.

    What’s petty and catty and “so high school” is going and starting a Boycott Karen blog… and the owner of that blog having the name “Karen Scott doesn’t know SHIT” Now that my friends is petty, catty, so high school, and just plain old juvenile.

    Oh, and by the way, notice how many commented over there? ONE… snort.

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  • Karen Scott
    September 14
    12:48 pm

    Hey Anne, don’t you know, it’s quality not quantity that counts? So bearing that in mind, I guess having an “NYCityeditor” commenting on your blog is probably a good thing right?

    My only problem, is that NYCityeditor sounds just like Patsy, check it out:

    Well, I do believe that I have witnessed my fill of several authors who wish to make it into print in NYC, who I can honestly say, will not.

    The reason they won’t is because I personally frown on flaming. It will never happen in my publishing company. The authors of Karen Scotts blog should be ashamed of themselves.

    You call yourselves professionals? Teresa Jacobs of Mardi Gras Publishing? Get real. We all know it’s you in this particular blog writing under “anonymous.”

    Don’t you think you have spilled enough milk by ruining the lives of all the would be and already professional authors who placed their trust in you?

    Don’t ever show your face in my publishing company, or those herin that reside in the Metropolitan area, you won’t find a home here.

    And as for the rest of you flaming this well known author you too can bet you will never see a NY contract unless you change your tune.

    I was particularly impressed by the bit where it references Teresa Jacobs being behind all the anonymous aliases on this blog. I’m pretty sure Patsy said almost the same thing word for word in that rant that she wrote about me.

    I could be wrong though. *g*

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  • Veronica
    September 14
    12:52 pm

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8567968964301927580&postID=9203029990680379066

    This comment under NYC editor has got to be the biggest bullshit I’ve ever seen in my life. I submitted an Manuscript to Kensington and those were professionals. Editors who were actually NICE. You on the other hand I doubt are from New York city.

    I’m an author from New York City. AND I CALL BULLSHIT! Why don’t we meet up for lunch? How about Uno’s on 86th Street? PROVE ME WRONG, I DARE YOU.

    New York City Editors wouldn’t waste time being so fucking petty. I think this is Patsy-or Kitty D-or one of your other fucked up head disorders.

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  • Shannon Stacey
    September 14
    1:00 pm

    However, I did want to make mention there was one of your books that I read the sounded remarkably like a book I read by another author. One of your books seriously echoed another book I have read in the past and I cannot put my finger on it right now but just wanted to let you know that it bothered me. I don’t know if they borrowed from you or borderline plagiarized your book.

    Okay, that has to be the lamest, clumsiest, heaviest-handed attempt at a back-handed, passive-aggressive bitchslap I’ve ever seen. Careful, darling, your bitterness is showing.

    Karen, I swear you’ve been both chocolate and Doritos for me. Don’t know how I’d have made it through the week without your ability to attract parades of crazy people to brighten the gloomy moments.

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  • Anonymous
    September 14
    1:16 pm

    However, I did want to make mention there was one of your books that I read the sounded remarkably like a book I read by another author. One of your books seriously echoed another book I have read in the past and I cannot put my finger on it right now but just wanted to let you know that it bothered me. I don’t know if they borrowed from you or borderline plagiarized your book.

    Have you finally no shame?

    Anyhow, I don’t profess to know any better than anyone or be higher or holier than thou.

    Actually, that’s exactly what you did, with all your discussion of blackballs and lists and you’ll-never-work-in-this-towns. Too late to pretend you didn’t, really.

    I know because years ago when I first sent something in I never got a thing back, not a rejection, not an offer, not even the ms I had sent in even though I had sent in a SASE for return.
    I’m sure you didn’t get anything in return, and that’s because I don’t know a single house that accepts unsolicited mss. Most don’t even accept unagented subs (just so you know, Kitty, a literary agent is someone who, among other services, submits mss for authors. That’s a very basic description of the process, but I thought you might need it.) Any editor, anywhere, knows that. Heck, any writer who knows anything about this industry fricking knows that. Only complete amateurs actually send full mss to publishers unsolicited. Sheesh.

    I feel sorry for the reviewers who get a hold of the unedited proof copies.
    Before a mss is made into an ARC to send reviewers, it’s already been extensively edited. Trust me. Unlike you, I actually know what I’m talking about.

    Although posting an excerpt of one of her books without her consent is bordering on grounds for copyright infringement or something. I checked on this. My boss says so that this borders on illegal as it is an electronic reproduction of a part of her book. But it’s semantics and a touchy subject not too many judges will bother with. Yet there are judges who will throw the book at you for it.

    Oh, FFS. It’s called the freaking Fair Use Doctrine. Are you seriously trying to pretend you and your boss at a major publising house have never heard of it?

    You’re an idiot.

    But I sincerely hope that your husband comes home safely. And that’s not a put-down or a joke.

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  • Gennita
    September 14
    1:17 pm

    Oh honey, I can’t tell you how many times I had lunch with a male model who leaned over and asked me intimately whether I could paint his cover. :rolls eyes:

    KittyD, if you didn’t know what the whole thing was about, why step into the fire and attack like a blind man crossing I-95 with a blind dog? Let’s see, ignoring the one blog that sounds like you but you claim isn’t yours, the blog you started is called KittyD Knows Better. Than Karen Scott, I presume, right, since the whole blog is about he?. And you posted this morning, asking what this was all about and how it all started. Doesn’t that mean you really don’t know better (than Karen)?

    And trashtalking about Nora, making those plagiarism snide remarks from one side of your mouth, and apologizing to her with the other? Very. Nasty. Go wash your mouth out with soap, Dummerm(o)uth.

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  • Ann Bruce
    September 14
    1:18 pm

    I want to understand what the enjoyment is in slandering someone’s name whether they deserve it or not?

    Where’s Jane? This woman needs a legal lesson!

    As for being an editor? Puh-lease! My editor spends her weekends and holidays working–and all she does is read mss and edits. I can’t imagine how she’d find time to sleep if she had to paint covers on top of that.

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  • Dionne Galace
    September 14
    2:49 pm

    keeeeeeeeerist… at this point, doesn’t it feel a little bit like beating up on the mentally ill?

    Shame on you. All of you. You too, Nora Roberts.

    *snicker*

    I’m going to make a t-shirt made that says “And you too, Nora Roberts.”

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  • Dionne Galace
    September 14
    2:51 pm

    ^that was “I’m going to have a t-shirt made”

    I don’t make t-shirts… yet.

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  • roslynholcomb
    September 14
    2:54 pm

    Hey, I want in on the fantasy too! As Viggo and I recline on the balcony of our Tuscan villa watching the lovely sunset. Tomorrow we’ll be jetting off to the south Pacific where we’ll live in polyamorous bliss with my other secret boyfriend, Sebastian Junger. I’ll wear nothing but bikinis, better to show off my washboard abs and size two figure while they cater to my every carnal need.

    No, I didn’t spend my day trying to convince my three year that chasing the cat is not a good idea. Or that repeating the words mama says as she cleans up catsick is an even worse idea. Especially when he does it at his oh so Southern Baptist pre-school.

    I didn’t spend his entire naptime banging my head on my desk while trying to write my h/h out of being captured on a plague-ridden South Pacific island. Nope, I’ve got Sebastian (author of The Perfect Storm) to do that for me.

    Gee, and while I’m fantasizing, I even have an editor and publisher to send all this effort to when I finish it!

    Wow! It’s good to be a writer.

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  • Anonymous
    September 14
    2:56 pm

    She’s having trouble keeping her personalities straight. Her profile at Kitty D. Knows Better has her at 31. (I have a screen capture so no use changing it) In one post here she said she was approaching 40.

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  • Jane
    September 14
    3:10 pm

    Currently, my fantasy life involves tea pots that are self cleaning – I hate all those leaves, and DRM free music, and someone to edit my lego videos.

    Other than that – posting of a chapter excerpt is not infringing. Sigh. And Slander is ORAL. for god sakes, how many times do we have to go over this. SLANDER = ORAL.

    If we are going to accuse people of tortious conduct, can’t we use the right terminology. Is that really so much to ask?

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  • Dionne Galace
    September 14
    3:20 pm

    Heh. Oral.

    Jane is dirty.

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  • J.C. Wilder
    September 14
    3:55 pm

    One of my father’s favorite sayings is:

    It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool, rather than open your mouth (of keyboard in this case) and confirm it. 🙂

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  • J.C. Wilder
    September 14
    3:57 pm

    For heaven’s sake – I write two sentances and have two errors! I’m going back to my margaritas.

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  • Casee
    September 14
    4:01 pm

    I’m cracking up over the irony of her calling you wacked when she’s the one that started a blog dedicated to you. LOL

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  • Fuckwit Police
    September 14
    5:08 pm

    This latest round of fuckwittery gave my a migraine. Fortunately I have four cover models here to rub my temples, feet, and fix me lunch. After that I’m going to paint their covers and make them famous.

    This psychophantic ramblings back and forth is tiresome and unprofessional

    It’s sycophantic. Please, oh Queen Editor of the NY ‘verse, check your dictionary. Or, simply read Karen’s posts on not making yourself look like an incoherent moron.

    I’d also like it very much if you could take a step back from your glass house before you hurl stones. Calling the authors on here unprofessional for expressing their disgust/amusement/horror over yet another author behaving badly, while going out of your way to start a separate blog dedicated to slamming Karen? Pot, please do meet the kettle. You are both, I dare say, black.

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  • Sarah McCarty
    September 14
    5:09 pm

    Hmm, JC. Maybe I should join you at the bar as I had to go back and look to find the errors.*G*

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  • Karen Scott
    September 14
    5:19 pm

    The irony is, Patti/Kitty/Ap Miller/Dogtanian/Thumper totally took the heat off Teresa Jacobs, with her various rants. This was never about her, until she started threatening to sue God and everybody for fuck-knows what.

    Hey, at least everybody knows who she is now, that’s got to be good for her career surely? *g*

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  • Devon
    September 14
    5:32 pm

    Oh wow. Crazy! Ker-ray-zee!

    Seriously though, I feel like it’s season 3 of Project Runway and I’m waiting for Vincent to have a total meltdown. It’s hilarious and uncomfortable, and I feel like I’m somehow complicit because I’m getting so much entertainment value out of watching someone who’s clearly on the edge. Just me?

    Two observations–choosing the exact same template for your 2 fake blogs? Not very crafty. Also, Kitty Dummermuth is a great name. It gives me a little chuckle every time I hear it.

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  • Gail
    September 14
    6:23 pm

    Who knew cover models were so thick on the ground? Everyone has a few. I’m obviously not doing this author thing right.pout

    Dang it, I want to be an editor, um, painter, ah, author, er, double secret list keeper!

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  • shoshona19
    September 14
    6:46 pm

    What does a wounded possum do in most cases? Swipe out at anyone or anything that comes near it; it’s a defense mechanism.

    Wounded possum?? I think they usually get run over by cars.

    What options do we have then? We fight fire with fire.

    Wait a minute, the possum has a flamethrower? That changes everything! I think I would prefer an armed possum to an armed Kitty…

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  • Nora Roberts
    September 14
    6:54 pm

    ~Shame on you. All of you. You too, Nora Roberts.~

    See my head hang down.

    Ahhhh, now Raoul can massage just that spot at the base of my neck.

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  • sybil
    September 14
    9:04 pm

    uh, wow

    Just think if she put this much work into her novels they might sell. No like really sell, not just in the happy place she has created in her mind.

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  • Anonymous
    September 14
    9:36 pm

    Now, y’all. You’re just poking a monkey with a stick. I know it’s sometimes fun, and you do get a little evil giggle out of it, but all it does is make a less intelligent creature irrationally angry.

    Leave the monkey alone. They’ll generally start flinging poo without any instigation if you just wait long enough.

    (And just to clarify, KittyD is the monkey in this little analogy.)

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  • Emily Veinglory
    September 14
    10:14 pm

    “I’m going to leave you to it”, then 9 paragraphs (which I didn’t bother reading. Looks like someone needs, well, an editor.

    Does this mean I am blacklisted too–all the best people are black listed these days. *snort*

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  • Anon 76
    September 15
    6:17 am

    Darn darn darn darn darn!

    Karen, you are killing me here.

    I’m trying so desperately not to voice my opinion on this issue, but dang, you make it so tough. Well, it’s not really you. It’s the person being discussed. And those two blogs.

    Yeppers, the Kitty D blog REEKS of the things a certain person throws out to impress others. Things most of us don’t care about, but holds weight in her tiny world.

    Now, maybe Kitty is a person unto herself, but if she is, she holds the same values as a certain other person. And tosses the same hoo haw to make others think she rocks.

    I must stop now, or say things I don’t want to say.

    Publishing really is a very small world, and e-pub especially. What is not spoken on boards and loops is definitely discussed behind the scenes.

    There ARE names taken, and guess what Kitty, yours is one of them now, as is Patti/Patsy’s (however hers was taken long ago and just fully confirmed in this recent mess).

    Basically, and this is crude, don’t shit where you eat.

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  • Darlene
    September 16
    12:06 am

    >>Find another boring subject to peak our interest.<< PIQUE! THE WORD IS PIQUE! NOT “PEEK”, NOT “PEAK”, P-I-Q-U-E! Thanks. I feel much better now.

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  • Angela James
    September 16
    2:01 am

    Now, y’all. You’re just poking a monkey with a stick. I know it’s sometimes fun, and you do get a little evil giggle out of it, but all it does is make a less intelligent creature irrationally angry.

    Leave the monkey alone. They’ll generally start flinging poo without any instigation if you just wait long enough.

    I just have to know. Did this conjure that scene from The Rundown with The Rock and the baboons for anyone else?

    No? Just me? Huh.

    As a side note, I have neither a secretary nor an assistant, don’t get to lunch with or on cover models, am terrible at painting even a wall and don’t get paid to read blogs (or even to write my own, sadly). Clearly I’m doing something wrong and you all will now think I’m worthless. *sob* On the bright side, I’m going to Disney World where I will rub elbows with royalty (erm, Cinderella if the little knee biters will let me get close enough)

    And Karen, if I start a collection, will you move this blog to a WordPress site and install the subscribe to comments plugin? How else can I keep up when your posts go from 5 comments to 85 in the day since I last looked? Since I don’t get paid to read blogs, it would make it way easier for me to keep my list. First on the list is that troublemaker Nora 😉 Shiloh was already there.

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  • Karen Scott
    September 16
    8:15 am

    And Karen, if I start a collection, will you move this blog to a WordPress site and install the subscribe to comments plugin?

    Angie, just point me in the right direction and I’m there, I’m just afraid of losing my archived posts, due to being technologically challenged (AKA being lazy bitch)

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  • Seressia
    September 17
    12:24 am

    Karen wrote: I’m just afraid of losing my archived posts

    WordPress will let you import your archives. Don’t know how many years, but I moved a bunch from my old blogger account to my wordpress one.

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  • Angela James
    September 17
    1:35 am

    You just need a domain and to throw yourself on the mercy of Jane, who is a WordPress genius. WordPress, as Seressia said, moves all your posts over to your new blog, so you won’t lose anything. And you’ll be your own website. You too could start a publishing company!

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  • Kat O+
    September 17
    5:17 am

    You can get a free WordPress blog from wordpress.com I assume importing from Blogger works with their free blogs, too. But I don’t think you can customise the template as freely as you can with Blogger.

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  • Angelle Trieste
    September 17
    8:06 am

    Reading Kitty D / Patsy or whatever’s comments is like witnessing verbal diarrhea.

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  • Kat O+
    September 17
    1:52 pm

    The free WordPress blogs don’t allow you to subscribe to comments, so ignore my comment above. 🙂

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