Author, Cindy Cruciger, Stomps That Olive Branch Into The Ground…
Wednesday, October 31, 2007Posted in: Cindy Cruciger Does Bloggers
Apparently the Ferfelabat Cindy Cruciger/Meangirls truce is over. I was sent a link yesterday to a site called Snark Underground. Apparently it belongs to Ms Cruciger. I wont bother linking, because I’m sure you guys will find it easy enough.
There were a couple of eye-brow raising posts on there, but this excerpt caught my eye:
“Let’s check in, shall we? Earlier Karen Scott was having dreams about breaking every bone in a baby’s body. Last year we learned that she only has her period once every six months or so and, in addition to making it impossible for her to reproduce (a good thing given that she dreams about abusing babies), when it happens, it is apparently so profound that she requires tent sized undies to contain it.
Not wanting to feel like a freak (I am guessing), she asks her always-willing-to-reveal-material- to-be-used-against-them-later-when-she’s-ragging-it audience if they too switch out the stripper undies for more substantial granny wear when they are in non-reproduction mode.”
Wow…. I’d definitely say the truce was over wouldn’t you?
Karen Scott
November 8
2:44 pm
This year’s post-RWA conference Battle of the Bloggers saw a rise of between 5% and 10% in sales of my work there.
What she may not be considering is that, the 5-10% rise may have had the potential for even more of an increase. If she’s a good writer, and I can’t imagine that she isn’t, then she would have had a decent readership anyway, and that her readership’s growth may have been slightly stunted due to the association with Cindy Cruciger.
shiloh walker
November 8
2:48 pm
I don’t play well enough with others to get into a gang. Aren’t there like rules and stuff? Would give me hives.
If I don’t want to join the gang, can i still keep my I adore Nora button?
Shi, CC’s post about my child bearing issues exposed her even more for the mean-spirited hypocritical person that she truly is, so it’s all good as far as I’m concerned.
Still leaves a bad, bad taste in my mouth.
Know what I think? I think at this point she’s gone so far with this that she can’t see any other way out, other than continuing with it.
Sometimes a person gets so caught up in the world of their own making, they actually start to believe in that world. I suspect this is a big part of it.
Is it wrong of me to be picturing West Side Story when I think of Noras gang? Great lighting, the fights choreographed… someone singing Nora instead of Maria…
Oh, geez. I did NOT need that image in my head… a bunch of mean girls and mean girl followers running around singing, wearing turquoise or lavender bandanas, dancing and singing.
And I seriously hate that you have to sign into blogger to get follow up comments.
Nora Roberts
November 8
2:55 pm
~I think at this point she’s gone so far with this that she can’t see any other way out, other than continuing with it.~
I think this is likely true.
I don’t really know Barbara, but she strikes me as a smart, savvy, interesting woman–who’s probably opted–wisely–to stay out of all this if she even knows about it.
I don’t March at all, but I’d have to say she’s certainly loyal, and I have a hard time arguing with loyalty to friends.
But I do have a problem with encouraging someone to perpetuate really ugly behavior. CC’s posts were ugly.
Sales rise and they fall, but the essential element is building readership, book by book, then expanding and maintaining it.
I don’t wish anyone’s sales to fall. There’s plenty of room on the shelves for all–just as there’s plenty of room in blogland for all.
As for colors, I like the lavendar, I like the blue. Maybe we can make them work together. (Karen can go with the stick-on tat.)
Jane
November 8
4:06 pm
I’ll have to sit out on the gang thing. I can’t sing. I can’t dance. I don’t like purple, lavendar, many shades of blue. I don’t think I would like a tat – even a stick on one. Large groups make me a bit curmudgeony.
Robin
November 8
6:49 pm
Exactly how is wondering that smearing anybody?
It’s not. Nor is it bullying. I know that, and no matter how Ferfe or March or anyone else tries to skew and warp it to make it all my fault, I’m not the one who’s been hosting a slugfest of the lowest order. It can’t possibly have escaped those who have eagerly participated in said slugfest that people might be wondering how far out the circle of malice extends. Is there a universal cut off point, say, at someone’s bff or crit partner? Shit, I wonder about people’s opinions all the time — who knew that was black market blogland activity.
Loyalty is a wonderful quality~but people need to sit back and decide whether or not they are being loyal for the right reason.
And there’s always the middle ground of appreciating or liking a person while not endorsing their actions. I’ve told Karen (not that she necessarily cares) that I don’t always agree with her style of blogging, but I find her intelligent, funny, and honest about what she’s doing. Same with a few other folks. Some blogs I don’t comment on at all or don’t ever visit. Not all the blogs I visit are run by people I agree with. I expect others do the same. Which is why I merely have curiosity, not a campaign. It’s not a crime. It’s not irrational. It shouldn’t be unexpected, IMO. And I know for a fact I’m not the only one with that curiosity.
shiloh walker
November 8
7:48 pm
And there’s always the middle ground of appreciating or liking a person while not endorsing their actions.
Amen. Man, there are a lot of people out there that I like even though I know I flat out disagree with them on a lot of things.
Tee
November 9
12:23 am
Karen,
New edits from Ferfelabat’s Snark Underground, asking for a truce from you, with certain demands, of course:
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Nov 1
eta – She posted all of these things about herself on her blog and asked what people thought. This is no different from what she has been doing to people online on her blog for more than a year. She hunts people down, takes quotes and information from their blogs, websites and comments, and puts them up for public humiliation by inviting her friends to judge them. The “truce” she offered was disingenuous and she had no intention of honoring it. I never accepted it. Once she goes after someone, she doesn’t stop until she’s run them into the dirt and they are forced off line.
I’m not going anywhere.
When she went nuclear this summer, I accepted the gauntlet. I don’t back down from the Karen Scott’s of the world, ever. And. I sincerely do not care what you think about my blog war with her. As you can see from her own words in the quote above, she’s in it for the long haul. I won’t be making it my career, but when I get bored …
Feel sorry for her if you must. I certainly do. Think long and hard about this one thing. The only difference between what Karen does and what I am doing is that she chooses anyone at all. The next person she goes after could be you.
There is one person whose opinion matters to me and I am sorry I disappointed her. It was her recent blog post that prompted this addon.
If you want your comments to get through please honor the rules as stated on the sidebar and the about page.
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Nov. 7th
I’ll make a deal with Karen. If she takes down the two weeks worth of posts blasting the hell out of Jade Black and Jaynie R. over Jaid’s husband which was none of her business, but she said since it was on the web it was fair game (a standard I applied to this post – she put it out there on the web and asked for opinions), I’ll take this one down. Even better, if she swears to stop beating the hell out of people on her blog and sticks to reviewing and general newsie stuff, I’ll leave her alone for good. I’m betting she can’t give it up. She can’t stop herself because she wants the audience that it attracts.
This is in no way, shape or form, a retreat. Her first call for a truce was complete BS and she never had any intention of honoring it. She won’t accept the terms of this one, which is actually genuine.
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So if you take down posts the way she deletes blog posts, everything will be all nice again.
azteclady
November 9
12:50 am
Lemme see if I understand this right–English not being my first language and all that.
As long as Karen lets CC dictate what she–Karen–can post, and the tone and content of said posts, CC will magnanimously refrain from indulging in behaviour that she claims is online bullying.
Is that a fair interpretation?
’cause if it is… *scratching head*
Well, let’s just say that if that’s what CC means, then she reeeeeeeeeally needs to take a good hard look at herself in that mirror she says she’s holding up for the “meangirls” to look into.
Not that I think such a thing could happen, just saying *shrug*
sallahdog
November 9
1:14 am
Its a complete load of BS..
and I am pissed that CC can’t substain a strike for more than a few hours… sheeiit.. I thought she had more stamina..
CC would DIE, if Karen ever went away and never posted again… she would then have to confront the fact that indeed, CC is the source of her own problems, not Karen or any other “mean” blogger..
I have watched (and enjoyed) more rants and mean girl blogging from CC than pretty much any other blogger… Seriously, read her blog, she hates or has problems with pretty much everything..
Hey, I have no problem with this, I am pretty much a grump myself, but lets all walk in the truth..
Karen is a shit stirrer, no doubt about it. But she generally doesn’t shit on the sidewalk first… So who is really to blame in the land of ” lets all be nice and not say anything negative”….
Personally, if people would quit crapping on the pavement, Karen wouldn’t have any crap to stir (which I hope never happens because I love this stuff, I truly do.)
Karen Scott
November 9
7:35 am
She hunts people down, takes quotes and information from their blogs, websites and comments, and puts them up for public humiliation by inviting her friends to judge them.
She’s such a drama queen isn’t she? I love how she uses the word ‘hunt’. Apparently, she doesn’t realise that if I’m a hunter, she’s a barbarian of the highest order.
I see she’s definitely keeping up with the convo, she’s even gone the ‘poor Jaid Black’ route.
two week’s worth of posts? It’s weird how she makes this shit up. I think she actually believes them too. I did two posts about Jaid Black. She took a public stance on something that I disagreed with, and I said so. I’m guessing that CC also believes that murderers are misunderstood and need better treatment from the state, yes? I wonder if she’d feel the same way if it was her child who was so brutally murdered?
As for JaynieR, I’d love for Cindy Cruciger to show me one post where I dissed JaynieR. Just one. The post was never about Jaynie, who I actually happened to like, and as far as I’m concerned, I still don’t have a problem with.
This is just a case of me telling her that the sky is blue, and she arguing about it, just to be contrary. She no more believes Jaid Black to be a victim than I do, it just suits her to say so.
You know what I would love, I’d love it if Cindy Cruciger decided to repost the whole Jaid Black thing, and held it up as an example of my Mean Girl streak. I’d absolutely freaking love it. And if she also puts up the posts that I did about people who had lost their lives to other people, I would be in absolute heaven.
This is in no way, shape or form, a retreat. Her first call for a truce was complete BS and she never had any intention of honoring it. She won’t accept the terms of this one, which is actually genuine.
Wow, has she forgotten that she started this from the very beginning, and perpetuates it today?
If she wants this to end, she has to end it. She’s the one who keeps putting up posts about me.
Nora Roberts
November 9
12:39 pm
Do exactly what I demand you do, or I’ll never stop. Hmmm. What exactly IS her definition of bully?
Interesting, too, how she KNEW your intentions. Though as far as I remember nothing you posted on here since the offered olive branch referred to her until she posted personal, ugly things about you.
She’s psychic now?
Karen Scott
November 9
1:17 pm
She’s psychic now?
I think the word you’re looking for is psychotic, Nora.
azteclady
November 9
3:14 pm
And CC would not only not be the only one, but neither is she the worst… Lookee what’s now at AV’s “graphic blog” as disclaimer:
“If you weren’t stupid, I wouldn’t have to tell you, but here it goes:
“The images and stories on this site are a work of fiction. Names, characters, places and incidents are products of the author’s/artist’s imagination or are used fictitiously and are not to be construed as real. Any resemblance to actual events, locales, organizations or persons, living or dead or undead, is entirely coincidental. If you can’t tell otherwise, you are stupid.”
Yeah, sure. And the stuff at her other site is just a coincidence too.
But hey, apparently all they have to do is take down the contents and rewrite history, and they’ll all come out smelling like roses.
Not.
anu
November 11
6:17 pm
Hello, lowly spectator to this bit of circus here. I’ve been following this scuffle since I saw Monica’s post. Got a question.
Why do you all play into Ferfelabat’s games?
This post has gone into 113 comments (well, 114 with my comment, heh). In response to someone whose behavior is the equivalent of a bratty 10-year-old’s. She needs you all to pay attention to her. And your response is to give her exactly what she wants?
As others have mentioned, CC needs the MeanGirls to feel relevant. Look at her patterns in the last few weeks. Nobody has talked about her for months, which she obviously can’t stand.
She and her friends apparently swore off the MeanGirl blogs, but she certainly knew enough of what’s going on to insert herself into the race conversation at DA. Only long enough, though, to make it about herself, so that she can then run back to her blog and talk about the meanies again. Her group has now dedicated two public sites just to the MeanGirls. She cannot stop talking about you on her main site, whether it’s whole posts or little digs.
She’s in a blog war in which she is the main participant! She skews and twists meaning to draw attention to herself. She says heinous things, then cops out with some weak mirror BS. I mean, seriously, she can’t even own the shit she talks! Truly the sign of a lame shit-stirrer. Then, when she’s got your attention, she goes into an absurd dance: i.e., the truce was fake anyway, so I’ll say what I want to. I will then offer you another truce if you do what I say. What?
Crackpots come with rising popularity. Some crackpots are worth responding to because they actually do contribute to discourse. Others just stir the pot. What is the value of responding to the latter? None.
If there is a war here, it’s already been won by the so-called MeanGirls because you don’t need this fight like she does.
So fucking act like it.
Karen Scott
November 11
8:12 pm
Why do you all play into Ferfelabat’s games?
Well to be fair, I think most people tend to ignore her most of the time, but I think the post re my fertility issues was a good example of her hypocracy, and nicely illustrated the falseness of her crusade.
Plus, her obsession with me is a tad amusing at times.
CC’s actually not quite as bad as her friend Ann Vremont. In terms of just pure evilness, AV wins everytime. (Can you believe I’m saying that?) That broad has more issues than Fleet Street. I wish she’d work them out though. The things that she depicts in her art are enough to make you lock up your pets, and all sharp objects.
sallahdog
November 11
9:03 pm
this is karens blog, but for myself, I just find CCs behaviour amusing as all get out. I can’t help it, I enjoy watching people make total dicks out of themselves. I rarely take anything in blogland too seriously though.
by the way, I stopped posting about this on the 9th,because this incarnation of the CC show was over. At least for me it was… I take it that CC doesn’t want it to be over? Well darn. If she can’t substain a strike, it doesn’t mean I have to keep my fickle interest in her silly vendettas..
Err… yeah, Karen… CC is a bit of a narcissist but Ann? hmmm… Freud would have a field day..
anu
November 12
3:18 am
Karen,
CC didn’t go way below the belt with me. And there’s obviously lots of history here that I’m not clear on, nor do I want to be. So I understand that it’s easy for me to stand on the sidelines and spout random opinions.
I just think that some people are so completely not worth any bit of attention you give them. There’s nothing to say to them or about them that makes anything better. The alternative is to get into the dirt with them. And sure, there’s lots of things to battle over, but, like, CC? Is so not one of them. *shrug*
Btw, do you post as KarenS at AAR?
Karen Scott
November 12
7:15 am
Btw, do you post as KarenS at AAR?
Nope, but I know that somebody else does.
As for CC, yes, there is history there.
anu
November 12
5:23 pm
As for CC, yes, there is history there.
Apologies then for intruding. Just can’t keep my mouth shut.
Anonymous
November 15
2:26 am
CC said on her site that Robin had silenced her. Unfortunately, that wasn’t true. Wonder what it would take to silence her for more than a coupla months.
–Jackie L.
Ann Aguirre
November 15
4:25 am
Heh. I got an email about this. Apparently the “WWND” post I made has been interpreted in a militant manner?
Dang! I didn’t realize I was a gang lieutenant. I haven’t been on the blogs much lately, been nose to the ground working.
Now that I’m apprised, I really don’t know what to say. The only thing that comes to mind is “Cor!” and I’m aghast to find myself quoting Penfold from Dangermouse at a time like this.
I suppose I’d better ask if Nora has any orders for me, though. The last one I took from her, although not directly, was “Quit whining! Butt in chair! Write!”
(I was at the QnA session in Dallas. Pretty sure she flashed me some complicated gang signs too. Or she could’ve been drinking water. So hard to tell.)